Jose wrote:
Benjamin Franklin stated that "those willing to trade some freedom
for the promise of security deserve neither freedom nor security".


1: I wasn't talking about security.


Yes you are, but you just don't realize it. You advocate the government
providing for the various 'needs' of certain groups thus providing the
security that those needs will be met for them, over an above 'national'
security from attack from an enemy.

There is the security of 'universal' health care, education, housing,
Social [sic] Security, free prescriptions and yes, even translations of
various information services into their native language etc. etc. These
are all forms of security people come to _expect_ to be provided for
them with littel or no effort on their part.

I'll take freedom ... the freedom to stop participating in the Social
Security system and get all the money I have paid in back so I could be
allowed to invest the way I want to. I assure you I'd be much better off
in the long run. But alas, I have no such freedom to do that.

I can see this entire concept of freedom is alien to you so there
is no use discussing further.