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I just got off the phone with a supe for that sector. She was very
"firm" that there is no SOP and no clearances will be provided. I
gently pressed as much as I could about why, short of forcing her to
hang up on me, and she acknowledged that terrain is my issue not ATCs,
and implied that bad behavior in the on the part of local pilots in
the past had caused them to suspend the procedure. She would not say
what happened, but mentioned "What if you you go NORDO, what if we
can't tag you, then we are holding up everything for ONT and other
airports. " Of course, the same is true in many areas, so I think
there is more to the story they are just not forthcoming about. Very
frustrating.

You should call her back and tell her that Steve McNicoll says she is
wrong and doesn't know what she is doing. ;-)

Seriously, that 1,400+ hill to the west of the airport blocks the radar
site at KONT. I doubt they can see you until your well into KRAL's Class D.