In article ,
Tim wrote:

Ron Garret wrote:
In article ,
Tim wrote:


So you are saying that one has to change operating rules based on the
route of the flight.


No, I am not saying that. Why do you keep putting words in my mouth?


I don't have to - they are right he
"Because it's a different route. The circumstances are different. What
one does when flying to FUL may or may not apply when flying to VNY."

Do you speak English as your native language? Do not you understand the
difference between "one HAS TO change the [general] operating rules"
and "[the specifics of] what one does [in situation X] MAY OR MAY NOT
apply [in situation Y]"?

If you did not mean that, then please explain to my why you have two
different examples and two different scenarios?

The first scenario is the one I am interested in. I raised the second
merely to point out that there is not a universal consensus that blindly
following the rules is always the right thing to do.

It is your clearance limit because that is where you filed to and where
you want to land.


No, it was my clearance limit because that is where I was cleared to.


Yes, I understand that. And they gave you that clearance limit because
that is what you requested from them - when you filed. That is the end
of your flight and they gave you a clearance to there. It is not a
clearance to hold there is it? Because what you are arguing is that you
really only have a clearance to circle the airport every time you get
a clearance that starts with "cleared to xxx airport" and ends in
"...direct."

No, that is not what I am arguing. I have never said any such thing
(because that's clearly ridiculous).

I am beginning to lose my patience with you.

You are expecting that every time you fly to an airport
you are going to fly to the airport, but somewhere along the line a
controller is going to lead you to an IAF, the final approach course, or
some other way get you to land.

No. In fact, the only reason I'm asking the question is because I'm NOT
expecting what you say I am expecting.

If your clearance limit is an airport, what makes you think you can't
execute an IAP and land?

Probably the same thing that makes you think that the moon is made of
green cheese. (You don't think the moon is made of green cheese? That
would be my point.)

rg