"TheSmokingGnu" wrote in message
...

No, no, no. With and without controllers available.


So some happened without controllers available and some happened with
controllers available but not involved. What the hell is your point?



If your
prognostication that the Godly controllers save all we pitiful pilots from
slamming into each other, then there should be a comiserate increase in
the number of such events. That it is so low is a testament of how little
controller involvement A): exists, and B): is necessary to safe separation
of traffic.


I said nothing remotely like that.



That communication and/or ATC causes at least as many accidents as there
are mid-airs and NMACs. If it's included as a header title, there is at
least one directly-attributable accident to ATC, which soundly disproves
that said Godly controllers are A): infallible, as you seem to think them,
and B): that they always give proper instruction in a situation,
disproving your absolutes.


You said the statistics don't state the cause. It sounds like you're
misinterpreting data. If you can tell me what you're referring to I'm sure
I can make sense of it for you.