Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
It seems you're determined not to understand. So be it.

Neither are you.

Yes you did. You said the rules give planes below the right-of-way over
planes above. FAR 91.113(g) says aircraft on final have the right of way.

I think you need to see your eye doctor more regularly, it's obvious
your prescription is out of date.

Once you do, please feel free to re-read what I wrote.

It implied that not departing the pattern on the downwind was an error.

Ah, I see how this game works. You can assume and find the implication
in any sentence so long as it is such that you can find issue with it.

Of course, set out something common sense and you fail to see even the
basic principle.

I can't read what you don't write.

I did write it, you just don't read.

Logic is not new, it's just new to you.

Brilliant ad hominem. It's unfortunate that callous wit doesn't win
arguments.

I'm not. I'm saying if the distances provided by Jay are accurate the
spacing was sufficient. What part of that are you having trouble with?

You ARE.

I'm having trouble with the part where you're trusting the word of an
eyewitness as physical, immutable truth in one sense, and then
discounting that very account in another.

You can't use the same statement as both a true premise and a false
conclusion.

No, the incident was caused by the 172's unexpected stop on the runway.

Which was caused by the controller's lack of action or amendment. How
circular would you like the argument?

Not illegal, definitely wrong.

And had the controller amended the clearance (or even mentioned in
passing, for all that it matters), would the 172 have taken the same
incorrect action?

No.

He did, when he saw the 172 stop he sent Jay around.

The developing situation was the possible spacing issue between the
aircraft. The result was the go-around. The result is clean-up for a
situation which should never have occurred in the first place.

If the 172 hadn't stopped on the runway Jay would have been allowed, as he
was cleared, to land. There is no clearance to be #1, #2, etc.

Check your P/C under ATC Instructions. Jay's clearance was issued first,
inherently making him #1. If so chosen, the controller can explicitly
instruct and make clear the order of clearances given, as he should have
in this case. Jay was a much better candidate for #1 than a higher,
slower student aircraft.

Sounds like you're about as inexperienced with ATC as Jay is.

You work in a ruddy tower and you don't know some of this stuff. Please
stay well clear of the microphone until you properly understand the
responsibilities therein necessitated.

TheSmokingGnu