Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
So some happened without controllers available and some happened with
controllers available but not involved. What the hell is your point?

Available and involved. Available and uninvolved. Unavailable. Three
options, covered under the same header.

I said nothing remotely like that.

Your post dated 4/1:

"We don't need dumb ass controllers at all. One of the reasons we need
competent controllers, such as the one that may very well have saved
Jay's life at JEF, is because we have dumb ass pilots."

But here we get to play the "implication game", where you can't assume
anything until it suits your argument.

You said the statistics don't state the cause.

I said they aren't more granular than that.

It means that there are 61 incidents listed as "miscommunication/ATC",
not how many are caused by either. The cause IS either miscommunication
or ATC. If all the incidents were caused solely by miscommunication,
then the ATC header would be omitted.

It sounds like you're
misinterpreting data. If you can tell me what you're referring to I'm sure
I can make sense of it for you.

This is what leads me to suspect your prescription. I have explicitly
stated the source of the data. It's your ball now.

TheSmokingGnu