Folks, this is what's wrong with the ADF today. Too many tiny-minded clowns
in khaki suits "thinking". They remind me of a poem.........

The grand old Duke of York,
he had ten thousand men,
he marched them to the top of the hill,
and he marched them down again.

Our brain-dead friend who was nothing more than a lowly infantry Private
(and now, he's not even that), would have us believe that Australia's
interests are best served by having a few thousand more Privates for the
generals to march up and down Mt Stuart instead of a proper strategy to
protect Australia and her interests.

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"Brash" wrote in message
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"Graham" wrote in message
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I agree with Tas, i'm just a digger

I won't hold it against you, but you need more than a digger's eye view
to
grasp some of this.


You need a gates eye view! lol.

Even that would be better than the pathetic views you would offer.

Here's the fact. Infantry Privates aren't taught to use their brains on such
weighty topics as geo-strategic policy and how to defend Australia and her
interest's. All you were taught was how to defend a hole in the ground on
the side of a hill.

You're not qualified to engage in discussions with grown-ups. But feel free
to lurk, you might learn something.


but i do see what is getting used the
most on deployments in this new climate and its not F111 (great
aircraft
tho) and really i dont see them or a a new type being used often or at
all.

There's a Chinese bloke named Sun Tzu, he wrote a book called "The Art
of
War". In it, he says the only true victory in a war is to not have to
fight
it. Fighting it (and hopefully) then winning it, is a bit of a mug's
game.
F111's (and their class of aircraft) are designed not to win wars by
fighting them but to win wars by preventing them. Show me an infantry
battalion that can do *that*.


Show me a country that has been deterred by Australian F-111s.

Have you stopped sucking dick?


The other disadvantage of relying on Mr Tzus deterrence is that if the
enemy
calls your bluff, 35 x F-111s are not going to last very long (let alone
the
markedly smaller number we can crew) or the stocks of weapons for the a/c.

That's why we don't solely rely on 35 F111's. This is like having a
conversation with an 8 year old.

3 more Bns with supporting units (for example) would mean an enemy would
need to bring at least 9 more Bns to invade (actually more, but lets not
quibble), with the consequent increase in logistic support, transport,
shipping, escorts etc.

Hmmm, yes, I realise army indoctrination has got you believing that the
defence of Australia starts at the low-tide mark, but the thruth is
different.

It raises the cost significantly more for the attacker than the defender.

Of course it never occurs to people like you, Private, that there are other
ways of "attacking" a country that doesn't involve lodging troops on the
mainland. To adopt your "policy" and rely solely on a few thousand more
lowly Privates (all as thick as you too, no doubt) would be strategic
suicide. I know they told you that the war isn't won till the "man with the
rifle stands on the hill", but that's just romantic nonsense they feed to
dildo Privates to make them think they're something special and to stop them
whingeing about being treated like dogs.

You're not qualified to discuss these matters with adults. Run along.


See how deterrence works?

Yes Private (Rtd), whatever you say.

You're dismissed now.

And those forces are available for other tasks when the threat to Aust is
not high, as well as increasing the most effective recruiting pool for
SASR - the ones who are most effective in the current, existing war.


What is being used allmost to the breaking point is us (diggers) and
our
equipment.

And you haven't even been in a proper war yet. Makes you worry, doesn't
it?


Certainly when money is being spent on a/c that Aust hasn't used

Which proves what a success its been as a strategic deterrent.

nd won't use.

Got a crystal ball, have you?


hat would let them risk it on real world ops yet?

Has the interim jammer even made it to the plane yet?


This is where our limited budget neads to go.

Can't agree with that. If we do it your way, we'll end up with an ADF
that
will actually have to defend Australia. Sun Tzu wouldn't approve.


Or we can keep putting money into a/c that soak up resources, but are of
no
use dealing with the threats we face.

Poor Private, your training has limited your ability to think beyond one
thing at a time, hasn't it?

who is willing or wants to have a go at us?

I guess you haven't read the paper lately.



Who has the capability that is more threatened by F-111s than SASR?


I just dont see
anyone out there who realy would have a go.

Wake up................. the rag-heads are on our case right now. If the
Intel revealed a al-Q or JI camp someplace that we couldn't openly get
at,
wouldn't it makes sense to go in and bomb said camp with a plane that
fly
across countries and avoid radar detection, hit the camp, and make it
back
to international airspace without needing AAR 4 or 5 times?


Or to hit it covertly with SASR and recover intelligence as well.

And risk losing people on the ground in a country that hasn't given
permission for us to send them there? Oh, that's just brilliant. You really
are an abortion that went wrong, aren't you?


Or pass the info onto our allies who have the ability to hit it with a
proper strike package rather than a half arsed attempt.

I'm going to pull the plug on this soon, because you're clearly too stupid
and inexperienced/untrained to cope with the concepts involved. Just like so
many other infantry privates I've dealt with, you're a pig-headed goose who
thinks he's the duck's guts and an expert on everything. Got some news for
you..............



The F111s are great but can we aford them now (old) and what is
needed?
ie
look at what is being used. We just dont have the $ for every thing we
need.

We would if we didn't waste millions on arts festivals for lefty
******s.

Spend the $ where its needed is what i say.

Spend the money where it will give us the most strategic value, I say.

Which may not be the F-111

Of course not. Putting all your eggs in one strategic basket has never been
a good idea. That's why we have a Navy too.

given the limited need for long ranged strike and
the disproportionate amount of funding the F-111 soaks up.

Here's the deal. If we scrap one-third of our strategic triad (the Pigs) and
a threat to Australia's interests appear thereafter that the Pigs could have
deterred, you have to run up and down Swanston Street in a tu-tu and a
dunce's hat yelling "infantry privates are dumb****s" every Anzac day.
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De Oppresso Liber.