On 04/14/07 06:31, Roy Smith wrote:
"Guillermo" wrote:
I had another situation where it was a little more unclear, when
departing from an uncontrolled field, IFR plan on file:

70V: "jax center, Cessna 70V at xxxx, would like to pick up IFR
clearance to FTY"

JAX:"70V, squawk 1234, climb to 5000, I'll have the rest of your
clearance in a few minutes"

5000 feet would put me in the clouds, and having not heard the words
"cleared to", I wasn't sure if I was considered to be flying IFR at
this point, so I told the controller that 5000 would put me in the
clouds, and he responded to go ahead, that I was already IFR.

Technically, this is a bum clearance, since you didn't have a clearance
limit.

To help clarify an issue I tripped over the other day, can you please let
me know where it states that a clearance must include a clearance limit?
I've looked in the FARs, the AIM and th 7110.65 and can't find anything
which says a valid clearance must include this (some say it *may* include
it, but none say it *must*).



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Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane, USUA Ultralight Pilot
Cal Aggie Flying Farmers
Sacramento, CA