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Old May 4th 07, 01:17 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military.naval
Jack Linthicum
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On May 4, 8:15 am, Vince wrote:
Derek Lyons wrote:
Vince wrote:


Jack Linthicum wrote:
On May 3, 4:12 pm, Paul Elliot wrote:
Vince wrote:
http://new.photos.yahoo.com/paul1cart/albums/
Vince is a lawyer, he thinks that if he says the same wrong thing over
and over that will eventually make it true or the listeners will be
asleep. The Air Force Cross given Major Anderson must have been a real
goof by the Air Force and Kennedy.


http://cworld.clemson.edu/Fall2000/12thday.htm


There is nothing that prevents the president from giving a medal to an
air force officer flying for the CIA


You do know that the USAF operated U2's as well?


yes of course
but later

Operational history

Though both the Air Force and the Navy would eventually fly the U-2, it
was originally a CIA operation. Due to the political implications of a
military aircraft invading a country's airspace, only CIA U-2s conducted
overflights. The pilots had to resign their military commissions before
joining the CIA as civilians, a process they referred to as "sheep
dipping".[1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_U-2



He was unquestionably engaged in an activity that was a violation of
international law. He could not have been "ordered" on the mission.


Um... Wrong.


It's an "unlawful order"

There is a difference between peacetime and wartime. The U-2
overflights violated international and domestic law. One of the reasons
we have the CIA is to have a system for dealing with the need to engage
in deliberate violations of international law.

Vince


In the military there is a concept which we have seen rather
extensively in the past four years, it is called volunteering.

October 14: A U-2 flies over western Cuba, the first Strategic Air
Command (SAC) mission since authority for U-2 surveillance flights was
transferred from the CIA to the Air Force on October 12.
http://andromeda.rutgers.edu/~hbf/missile.htm

and

As more U-2 missions, combined with HUMINT from inside Cuba, began to
build a case for the possible installation of nuclear missiles,
President Kennedy authorized an increase of U-2 missions over the
island. This increase in aerial reconnaissance coverage was caveated
with the limit that all future U-2 flights were to be conducted with
USAF personnel and U-2's from the Strategic Air Command. (124)
President Kennedy ordered the change from CIA to USAF missions in case
there were any shootdowns or losses. His reasoning was that USAF
pilots could be protected and treated as Prisoners of War versus CIA
pilots who would be considered spies. (125) In the meantime, the JCS
enlisted the support of additional aerial reconnaissance assets. Air
Force RB-47's were brought in to fly ELINT missions around the
periphery of the island along with USN F3D ELINT and EC-121 SIGINT
aircraft. (126)

124) In 1956, SAC rejected Kelly Johnson's U-2 design with General
LeMay quoted as saying he didn't need a glider with no guns or wheels
and if he needed aerial reconnaissance he'd use one of his B-36's. By
the time the U-2 program was approved and placed under SAC, he
understood the importance of having the aircraft because the CIA's
intelligence collection affected his bomber procurement. By 1960, SAC
had its own fleet of 24 U-2's and was using them for peripheral SIGINT
and PHOTINT missions.
(125) Jackson, 116.
(126) Lashmar, 191.

http://www.rb-29.net/HTML/77ColdWarS....02byndu-2.htm

I will keep this up until you stop making inaccurate statements