On 08/29/07 06:07, Rich wrote:
BillJ wrote:
So as we turned outbound for the hold the controller comes on rather
gruffly and says "1234X, where are you going?" I got on and said
"...entering the hold as published " and he says "why, that is not
authorized, if you want to do it you have to ask.." I pointed out that
the only NoPT enteries were from the airways, and anyway we needed to
loose altitude in the hold.

Bill,
It is my understanding that, when in radar contact, ATC does NOT expect
you to fly holding patterns no matter where depicted on the plates...

That's certainly *not* what I've been taught. If the plate shows a PT,
then the PT is required unless you're getting radar vectors. Actually,
the conditions where you should/should not execute the PT is covered
(more or less) in the AIM...

Being in radar contact has nothing to do with it.

I'm willing to be taught something new as well, however ;-)

BUT
I cannot recall where I learned that, nor what publication would support
my statement, so I will be watching this thread with interest.

Ran into as situation last month at a strange airport (KHIO) where the
tower was expecting me to make a turn for the departure procedure and I
was waiting for them to tell me to start the turn. I guess I should
have spoken up ("when in doubt, shout it out").

Rich
(CFII for 30 years and still learning stuff)



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