"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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On Sep 19, 5:03 pm, "Vaughn Simon"
wrote:
"Robert M. Gary" wrote in
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Nope, if you want to solo an airplane I need to sign a student pilot
certificate in addition to the solo endorsement. Student pilots are
required to carry both in airplanes. I'm not sure what the rules are
for gliders.

Cite?

Vaughn

Sec. 61.87 Solo requirements for student pilots.^M
(n) Limitations on flight instructors authorizing solo flight. (1)
No^M
instructor may authorize a student pilot to perform a solo flight
unless that^M
instructor has--^M
...
(iv) Ensured that the student pilot's certificate has been endorsed by
an^M
instructor authorized to provide flight training for the specific make
and^M
model aircraft to be flown; and^M
(v) Endorsed the student pilot's logbook for the specific make and
model^M
aircraft to be flown, and that endorsement remains current for solo
flight^M
privileges, provided an authorized instructor updates the student's
logbook^M
every 90 days thereafter.^M

Notice it requires both the student pilot certificate to be signed and
the endorsement in the log.

OK, but in this case you are dealing with a "student", but not a holder of a
student pilot's license because your "student" is already an FAA rated pilot.
Your "student" has no need to obtain a student pilot's certificate because
he/she is already a licensed pilot who is simply seeking an additional rating.
Since your "student" is does not hold a Student Pilot certificate, 61.87 does
not apply.

In this situation the applicable FAR is 61.31(d)(3) and the applicable CFI
signoff from AC 61-65E is # 63.

"To Act As PIC In An Aircraft in Solo Operations when the pilot does not hold an
Appropriate Category/Class Rating: Section 61.31 (d)(3)".

"I certify that __________________________ has received training as required by
section 61.31 (d)(3) to serve as PIC in a (category and class of aircraft). I
have determined that he/she is prepared to serve as PIC in that (make and model
of aircraft). "
(Date, Name, Certificate #, Exp date)

This is one of the most powerful signoffs that a CFI can make and it should
never be done lightly. I add time limits and geographical limits to the basic
signoff, because otherwise that person can go off and fly solo forever (in that
make and model) without ever getting another moment's instruction beyond some
sort of flight review.

Respectfully
Vaughn