"Chad Irby" wrote in message
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"Tom Cooper" wrote:

"Chad Irby" wrote in message
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The problem is that when you kill a few terrorists, then follow the
advice of people who tell you to *not* kill terrorists, you just give
them a chance to train up a bit and plan their next run. The trick is
to keep going after the real bad guys, and not try to follow a
"roadmap"
that the bad guys have bragged about not following.

Aha, I see.

But, isn't it then actually very surprising to see they never get those
you
call "the real bad guys"?

They've been killing quite a few of the head guys in Hamas, which pretty
much negates your sentence above. The funny thing about large terror
organizations is that the guys in charge don't like dying all that much,
while being very supportive of their footsoldiers dying for the cause.

The funny thing here is that they're killing Hamas leaders since three
years. Somehow, Hamas is not running out of leaders so they have to continue
killing them.

Given how the situation developed so far I guess they could continue killing
Hamas or other leaders for the next 50 years and the method will not
function...

Aggressively going after the training camps and organizers of groups
like Hamas *works*, as opposed to trying to negotiate with a bunch of
people who have sworn to kill all of the Jews.

See above.

Could it be there is a mistake somewhere in that "roadmap"?

Yes, the mistake is in thinking that Hamas and other terrorist groups
would ever follow it. They have bragged repeatedly that they will not.

So, the only conclusion here is that they will both continue blasting each
other until the hell freezes.

OK. Then let them do that. Just, why are you interpreting my conclusions and
explanations about what "the other" side in this case thinks about the
matter as a kind of a "support" for this side?

Now, I do not say I know "everything", far from this: I'd say I know
barely
enough for general orientation. But, it is obvious that you don't have a
slightest clue about what I know nor what is my actual standpoint.

I can only judge by what you say here, and you're saying things that
indicate that you think the Israelis are wrong in attacking terrorists
in countries that support and train them.

No Chad,
that is your assumption, not something I said.

If you take a look above, I clearly stated that such attacks do not cause
fear - as explained by Robert - but only more hatred. That they don't have
anything like "effects" Robert was talking about on Iran on anybody else
either, and that consequently their effects are not what such like Robert
(and obviously you) expect would be.

So, I was not talking about anybody there being "right" or "wrong". Anything
of this kind is your own interpretation of the same quality like that of
Robert with which this whole thread was started.

Are you really so ignorant and shortsighted too?

Tom Cooper
Co-Author:
Iran-Iraq War in the Air, 1980-1988:
http://www.acig.org/pg1/content.php
and,
Iranian F-4 Phantom II Units in Combat:
http://www.osprey-publishing.co.uk/t...hp/title=S6585