"Morgans" wrote in message
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Sadly, it has deteriorated to the current state.

People used to have real discussions about flying, instead of the constant
discord.

Actually, I'm enjoying the tangental stuff that people like Dudley are
posting. Actual physics. Even if somebody appears to be trolling, it's
useful to hear experts articulate what we all pretty much know, plus I've
gotten at least two useful book recommendations out of the thread.

Maybe the OP is just a foil for the rest of us to talk about aerodynamics.
Works for me.

-c