Yes, I'm not saying it would be wise to fly at 9000 close to PHX, just
that it is allowed (the mode C veil, that is)...

Sorry to hear about Estrella I took my first two lessons there back
in December of 2003. I REALLY enjoyed it out there!! Hope they can
hold out!!

Scott


Mike the Strike wrote:

On Nov 11, 8:20 am, Scott wrote:

doesn't the transponder exception for aircraft manufactured without an
electrical system apply (or are you saying that they can't fly inside
the Class B airspace)?

Scott


In general, gliders have exemption to fly without a transponder under
a mode C veil up to 10,000 feet, but the lowered class B around
Phoenix overrides that.

There is a letter of agreement available between local FBOs and the
Arizona Soaring Association that would permit gliders to again operate
in this 1000 feet of airspace, but to my knowledge, no one has signed
it.

Personally, I think you are nuts to want to fly anywhere near this
airspace without a transponder. legal or not.

There is also the more important question of whether or not we'll even
have anywhere to launch in the foreseeable future. The newly re-
opened Turf Soaring and Estrella Sailport are under pressure from
development and I'm not hopeful that they will have a long future.

Mike




Andy wrote:

Anyone thinking of soaring in the Phoenix area should be aware that
gliders without operating transponders are not allowed to fly between
9,0000 ft and 10,000ft within the 30 nm mode C veil. This is direct
consequence of the lowering of the class B ceiling from 10,000ft to
9,000ft.

Andy

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