On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:35:12 +0200, lekomin inc wrote:

U¿ytkownik "phil hunt" napisa³ w wiadomo¶ci

That's similar to what Finland, Sweden and Norway use, IIRC. There's
also a 6x6 vehicle in the same family, the XA. It seems a capable
family of vehicles. I particularly like the idea of a dual 120 mm
mortar, shown he

Not exactly. AMV is a completely different vehicle then Patria X-Series.

So why does Patria have two very similar ranges of vehicles?


http://members.surfeu.fi/stefan.allen/amv8x8.html

... as can be seen on the photo you provided )) Poland will have an IFV
version with 30mm cannon (ATK MK44, which is a vvvvery good cannon)

I wonder if this will have significant anti-aircraft capabilities,
i.e. the ability to compute an aircraft's future position, and aim
the gun towards it?


Then Britain decided it didn't want the Boxer, it wanted something
lighter that could be easily transported. So it's now paying over
the odds (GBP 400k per vehicle IIRC) for something that's likely to
be little better than the land rovers ans Saxons the British army
already uses (and are cheaper) or the Humvees the USA uses (and are
also cheaper).

those are different systems. UK is in big mess because:
1) TRACER program got cancelled in the US, and the future british scout
vehicle was to be based on this
2) BOXER is really crap - to heavy, to expensive, built for future with
todays technology

I agree, it is rather big. An IFV or APC has to be big enough to
carry an infantry section. I dodn't see any need for it to be igger
than that. If Britain has a requirement for a heavier vehicle, for
example to carry a large artillery piece or missile, the Warrior or
Challenger hulls are available.

3) for liason vehicle they have chosen an italian vehicle!!!!! (an Iveco)

There's a picture of it he

http://pub165.ezboard.com/fwarships1...ID =983.topic

I looks to me like an oversized (and over-priced) Land Rover. The
MoD is paying GBP 400k each for these.

Britain had some Challenger I tanks, not the latest thing, but
still a respectasble tank. Instead of storing them or using them for
reserve units, it stupidly gave them away (to Jordan).

well... PT-91s are crap but A tank is better then no tank.

"Crap" is an exaggeration, IMO. They'll be useful as battlefield
line-of-sight artillery, and are bound to be more survivable than an
APC.

Spike is longer-ranged than Javelin (4 km v. 2.5 km). Did Poland
consider the Russian Kornet (range 5 km)?

In contrary to the official line (Poland loves everybody... bla bla bla)
Polish forces, and especially the heavy component (MTBs, 150mm artillery,
SAMs, SPAAGs) will be tuned to face Russia. The light forces might be
deployable wherever they are needed but the heavy ones are to defend Poland
from the East. At it will stay that way. History tought as many lessons ))
Therefore it is hardly possible to buy russian equipement including the
Kornet. It is a great antitank weapon but I am pretty sure russian
Shtora/Arena systems are close to perfect in making them useless (after all
they would know all the frequencies...). If ever the antitank missiles were
used, It would be agains Russian MBTs with Shtora/Arena fitted invading
Poland... I am pretty sure all Kornets would miss their targets.

If the Russians can jam Kornet, then other people can too, making it
of limited use. Kornet uses laser beamriding, so to jam it you'd
have to have a light transmitter transmitting the same frequency the
laser is. If the laser frequency is adjustable, I imagine that would
be difficult to achieve.


The UK is currently considering either Javelin or Spike.

go for javelin.

I'd prefer it if it had a longer range. As it is, its range is only
slightly longer than the Milan it is replacing, although it is fire
and forget.

Russians just
started (or rather are trying to start) their own project with the same in
service date as F35.

Is this a new Su-27 variant, a MiG 1.44 variant, or something
entirely new?


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