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**Fred J. McCall**

tankfixer wrote:

:In article 25981310-6d6d-4057-8871-4fc6e6e776c3
, says...
: On Nov 19, 12:07 pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
: "dott.Piergiorgio" wrote:
:
: :Fred J. McCall ha scritto:
: :
: : I guess you're just a stupid troll who is unable to correct his own
: : ignorance and so has to engage in stupid strawman arguments, as above.
: :
: : Hint: I know more about the Soviet Navy and Soviet shipbuilding than
: : you ever will.
: :
: : Hint: There's a big difference between 'naval shipbuilding' and
: : suddenly building and operating a bunch of carrier battle groups.
: :
: : Hint: The United States, with a bigger shipbuilding establishment,
: : more money, and a long history of carrier aviation and everything
: : associated with it, NEVER build at the rate the Russians claim they
: : are going to sustain.
: :
: : Hint: The Russians talk about a lot of things. They actually do very
: : few of them. Just think of it as a modern version of Potemkin
: : Villages.
: :
:

ear Fred:
: :
: :Let's return to the topic. I known that you known well about soviet
: :Navy, in your opinion, the (relatively) little knowledge in CV
: :construction accrued by the soviet, through Moskvas, Kievs and
: :Kutnetzovs is lost in the last 15 or so years or not ?
: :
:
: The problem isn't pure construction. However, none of those ships are
: actually aircraft carriers. They range from helicopter carriers that
: the USSR quickly discovered weren't big enough for the job (hence only
: building a pair of Moskvas rather than the 12 originally planned)
: through a strike cruiser with aviation assets (Kiev, with a handful of
: very limited fixed wing assets) up through what I would call an
: aviation-capable strike cruiser (Kutnetzov) with a few dozen
: relatively capable fixed-wing aircraft.
:
: The real issue is that they won't be able to come up with crews and
: infrastructure on the scale they're talking about even if they can
: design a real carrier and build them that fast (keeping in mind that
: they'd also be cranking out escorts and such at the same time).
:
: Funny how the Allies managed to build literally hundreds of warships
: and thousands of freighters and managed to man them all in 6 short
: years of war.
:
:
:Funny how the Russians didn't......
:

Also funny how there is, from 's view (gotta love those
odd Candahoovian names - 'bcpg'), there is apparently no difference
between merchants and cheap escorts (both easy to build and relatively
easy to man) and an entire carrier aviation organization that doesn't
even exist right now.

One more time for our stupid Canadian friend's benefit. *NOBODY*,
including the United States, has ever produced anything like modern
carrier strike groups at the speed Russia claims they're going to
produce them. If nations with long histories of carrier aviation are
unable to do it, what makes him think the Russians will somehow manage
it?

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"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the
truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
-- Thomas Jefferson