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: : : : : You do realize that the Sea of Okhotsk is surrounded by RUSSIAN land,
: : : : : right? No sane US admiral would take a force up there during active
: : : : : hostilities.
: : : : :
: : : : :You don't have to enter it. just deny a couple of exit's and Vladivostok
: : : : :is worthless.
: : : : :
: : : :
: : : : And positioning to deny those exits leaves you in a fixed position and
: : : : vulnerable to huge land-based air assets.
: : : :
: : : :Maybe in the old days it did, but now ?
: : : :
: : :
: : : Making up more ignorance while you scurry about trying to move the
: : : goalposts?
: : :
: : :
: : :What huge fleet of aircraft do the Russians operate nowdays ?
: : :
: :
: : There are (at least) 4 aviation regiments attached directly to the
: : Russian Pacific Fleet.
: :
: : Or are you one of those silly people who think all the hardware just
: : magically evaporated with the fall of the Soviet Union?
: :
:
idn't evaporate, it just corroded away.
: :
:
: Not so much. You know airplanes are made out of aluminum, right?
:
:Yes, which is why i used the word "corroded" instead of "rusted".
:
:They also contain significant amounts of magnisium, steel and even a
:good bit of copper.
:
And you presumably think that Russians are too stupid to maintain
their military assets or what?
:
:
: One more time. There are (at least) 4 aviation regiments attached
: directly to the Russian Pacific Fleet.
:
:With an assigned operational strength of what ?
:25 aircraft ?
:
Pull some more numbers out of your ass. Perhaps you'll get closer to
reality.
You think submarines have AA systems on them, do you? Or are you back
to assuming a surface blocking force? Or are you whirling back to
mines?
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: : :
: : :
: : : :
: : : :And why would I be on the surface in the first place ?
: : : :
: : :
: : : Who said you were? Why do you think that makes a difference? Do you
: : : stupidly believe that submarines are invulnerable to aircraft?
: : :
: : : [Keep moving those goalposts.]
: : :
: : :
: : :They have to find em first..
: : :
: :
: : When you're sitting in one place to block a choke point that gets a
: : lot easier to do. It pretty well limits the volume of ocean you can
: : be sitting in, which makes finding you (or sanitizing that volume of
: : ocean) much easier.
: :
: : :
: : : : : : I'm not sure precisely what you have in mind, but the size of Russia's
: : : : : : Navy has nothing to do with it. You're close enough inshore so that
: : : : : : airplanes will blow your ass off if you try to sit in there.
: : : : : :
: : : : : :
: : : : : :Yes, that is the problem the Russian face in trying to get out of
: : : : : :Vladivostok....
: : : : : :
: : : : :
: : : : : Except most of it is RUSSIAN land...
: : : : :
: : : : :That will be news to Japan and Korea(north and south)
: : : : :
: : : :
: : : : Might I suggest you look up the meaning of 'most' and realize that it
: : : : doesn't equate to 'all'?
: : : :
: : : :"most" of that land is just a hinderance to navigation.
: : : :Even the Russian bits.
: : : :
: : : :The important parts are NOT Russian.
: : : :
: : :
: : : The important parts to whom and for what?
: : :
: : :The parts the Russians would have to pass by
: : :
: :
: : Check a map. Look north.
: :
: :Nice place for a some mines....
: :
:
: So we see it go from a surface force to subs to mines. Nothing like
: shifting those claims, is there?
:
:Actually you assumed it would be surface forces my friend. I never
:stated they would be.
:
So they're going to block them by magic?
:
:If you can't deal with a varied threat perhaps you might stick to
:something safe like checkers.
:
I'd suggest that checkers is too intellectually demanding for you.
:
:
: You think the Russians don't have minesweepers?
:
:
:I'm sure they have some hull's with minesweeping gear.
:Can they leave port and actually sweep mines ?
:
Better than the few we have probably can, even if you assume that we
have the minelayers to try to close the place off and that they just
let us.
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: :
: :
: : :
: : :
: : : [Shift some more...]
: : :
: : : :
: : : :
: : : : No, it won't be news to either Japan or Korea. They can read maps,
: : : : you see...
: : : :
: : : :
: : : :I'm not the one who keeps discounting them..
: : : :
: : :
: : : Gee, neither am I. You are, however, the one that is unable to read
: : : either a Usenet article, a map, or anything written on naval tactics.
: : :
: : : And the change from shifting the goalposts to outright lying was a
: : : nice change on your part.
: : :
: : :I guess since you can't win you resort to name calling. Oh well
: : :
: :
: : If you don't like people pointing out you're shifting your claims all
: : over the place and lying, stop shifting your claims all over the place
: : and stop lying.
: :
: :I see you like to use old tactic of calling someone a liar when they
: :refuse to accept your claims and the all mighty truth.
: :
:
: I'm not responsible for your myopia. I'm also not responsible for
: your lack of veracity. I'm REALLY not responsible for your lack of
: intellectual integrity.
:
: I called you a liar because you lied.
:
: Just what did I 'discount', you lying little sack of turds?
:
: Keep shifting and lying. I'll keep calling you a shifty liar.
:
: It only seems appropriate...
:
:I can see why so many folks ignore you around here Fred.
:
Only the idiots, Tanky. It's because they don't like having their
lies, idiocy, and squirming pointed out.
Is any of this sounding familiar to you?
--
"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the
soul with evil."
-- Socrates