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On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 01:09:24 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
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Reminds me of my first time in a full flight simulator, 12 years
ago.

During the course of my pilot training, the school organized an
visit
to a flight simulator manufacturer.

Each student got a chance to shoot an approach in a CRJ FFS. At
that
point of our training, we all had over 100 hours, all had our
private
pilot license and where on our way to our commercial.

The guy trying it out just before me was doing the bush-pilot
specialization, and had time in light singles, and in a Cessna 185,
on
wheel and on float. He overcontroled the aircraft so much on short
final, he basically rolled it and crashed on the runway.

Me (with multi-engine experience), I managed to put the aircraft
down
correctly, only to roll pass the end of the runway thanks to not
applying enough brake pressure and/or engaging the thrust reverser
too
late.

Goes to show that it's not as easy as it might seem.


Yeah, you don't have to be superman, but Anthony's suggestions are
just
ludicrous.

Bertie

Don't know what he suggested, because I don't read any of his stuff.

My first experience in a sim was allegedly in '87. Lear 24 series. Am
not a pro pilot, can't tell you what "generation" it was. I do
remember that in the same FSafety (across the street from Lear in
Wichita) they had just installed their first sim that needed literally
a hole in the ceiling to clear the movement of the "cabin".

This one was not that complex.

I took off in VFR/night conditions went "around the patch" at about
3.000 feet, and landed after about a 5 mile final.

At that time, my flying experience was what I had learned flying along
right seat in whatever piston-pounder was hauling auto parts wherever
in the wee hours.

Allegedly did the same thing in a BAe 800A sim ("later" generation,
lots more movement, still night only) about 7 years ago in Wilmington.

On that take-off, however, was in the sh** at around 800 feet AGL
'cause the instructor hadn't cleaned things up before I took off. I
levelled off at 3000 feet 90 degrees left of the runway heading until
he magically turned the weather back into VFR.

Circled back and landed. Scariest part of that "flight" was when the
instructor turned the motion off on the sim while I was turning
base-to-final, instant nausea. At that time I allegedly had a PPSEL
and about 125 hours in my logbook, and a lot more time goofing around
in the right (and left) seat of whatever piston-pounder was hauling
auto parts wherever in the wee hours.

Can't claim to have much knowledge of the systems/cockpit layout/etc.,
'cause in both cases had just finished up a maintenance initial on a
new-to-me type, and "flew" after spending time doing sim ground runs,
etc. etc.

Fukk Anthony, but don't assume because someone doesn't earn his living
as a pilot, he can't "fly" or that playing even in a jen-yoo-wine sim
necessarily means jakk****e...

I don;t assume either. It can be done. I know because I have had private
pilots in the sim and got them down. In fact, the best sim student I had
(real airliner sim, not MSFS) was a 16 year old RC pilot who had never
been in an airplane at the time (he;s a world class competition glider
pilot now, though)
What anthony is suggesting is that he could land an airliner using the
automatics because he has been palying with flight sim.
I know he couldn't.

For one thing, he'd try to tell Robert Stack on the other end of the
radio how it should be done.
He'd have to take his finger off the Xmitter long enough to get the
instructions and that is obviously impossible


Bertie