On Dec 22, 10:13*am, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:

(1) The operator must receive an ATC clearance from the ATC facility having
jurisdiction for that area before operating an aircraft in that area.

Not enough as I saw this.

Clearance on an arrival procedure does not clear you in Bravo. An
arrival procedure can be outside bravo. That area OUTSIDE bravo is
what you are cleared for, NOT cleared to enter Bravo.

What you say is like saying cleared for an approach is a clearance for
a landing. You know that's not right just as being cleared Cortez1
arrival is not a clearance into Las Vegas Bravo..

SHOW ME WHERE a clearance on an arrival procedure is a clearance to
enter Bravo and clearly states it. Better yet, show me a reference
that shows "exceptions to not having to hear the words cleared into
Bravo". I bet you can't.

http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraff...3/aim0302.html

3.2.3 covers my position. Specifically An ATC clearance is required
for all aircraft to operate in the area. Class B airspace is not the
same area as an arrival procedure area, and you know this.

You must hear cleared into Bravo. A clearance on an arrival procedure
does not meet this requirement and you know this.

Until you provide a reference otherwise that clearly states a
clearance on an arrival procedure is clearance into Bravo (and that is
what you are saying) YOU ARE SIMPLY WRONG.

You must hear the words cleared into Bravo. I dont' know of any
exceptions nor have I came across any references that gives
exceptions. Provide references that gives exceptions.

Allen
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