On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 07:16:11 -0600, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote in
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"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
.. .

I believe the point here is, that it's incumbent on the VFR PIC to
explicitly _REQUEST_ clearance into Class B airspace every time
(instead of saying "with you" or some such):


It's incumbent on the PIC to receive an ATC clearance that allows entry to
the Class B airspace before operating his aircraft in that area, doesn't
matter if he's operating VFR or IFR.


Agreed.

But it does matter if the PIC fails to REQUEST clearance into Class B,
or for a procedure that necessitates navigation through Class B. The
request puts the onus of regulation compliance more squarely on the
shoulders of ATC, who can at times forget to explicitly issue a
clearance. In those rare situations, if a PD should happen to be
filed, it would be much more clear that the PIC knew he needed to be
cleared, and the controller erored.