Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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It's incumbent on the PIC to receive an ATC clearance that allows entry to
the Class B airspace before operating his aircraft in that area, doesn't
matter if he's operating VFR or IFR.


Agreed.

But it does matter if the PIC fails to REQUEST clearance into Class B,
or for a procedure that necessitates navigation through Class B. The
request puts the onus of regulation compliance more squarely on the
shoulders of ATC, who can at times forget to explicitly issue a
clearance. In those rare situations, if a PD should happen to be
filed, it would be much more clear that the PIC knew he needed to be
cleared, and the controller erored.


It doesn't matter one bit what the pilot REQUESTS. All that matters is that
the pilot receives an ATC clearance that allows entry to the Class B
airspace before operating his aircraft in that area.

I think that it has been drummed into VFR pilot's heads that clearance
is required to enter class B so much that class B has taken on a somewhat
mystical status in some people's minds and they can't see the forest for
the trees.

I doubt anyone would think that they have to explicitly request clearance
into class B and hear "cleared for the class bravo" before taxi or
takeoff from a class B airport, yet some seem to think so for other ATC
defined procedures where the operation within class B is part of the
definition of the procedure.


--
Jim Pennino

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