On Dec 24, 1:30*pm, Jay Honeck wrote:

We've been talking about doing a cheapie "cattle-car-to-Vegas" getaway
next month, just to break the winter monotony. *With continuous snow
since Turkey Day, April is a VERY long ways off...

"Cattle-car" ? Are you bashing the airline guys now ? May as well, you
have bashed everyone else.
Frank