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Old January 1st 08, 11:21 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
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On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 17:41:58 -0500, "Barry" wrote:

My examiner called the no flap landing an emergency procedure.


From the Pilot/Controller Glossary:

EMERGENCY- A distress or an urgency condition.

DISTRESS- A condition of being threatened by serious and/or imminent danger
and of requiring immediate assistance.

URGENCY- A condition of being concerned about safety and of requiring timely
but not immediate assistance; a potential distress condition.

So I would say that the inability to extend flaps would be considered an
emergency only if it puts you in serious or imminent danger, or causes you to
be concerned about safety.


That's all great... Now, where is the no flap landing listed in the
Private Pilot PTS? G

Most of us agree it's far from an emergency, but the PTS doesn't list
"Urgency" or "Abnormal" conditions.

The examiner did not scream "Emergency!", blow horns, cry, etc...

He just said "Why don't you make this one a no-flap landing... Tell
me what's different if you need to land without flaps." After the
oral exam on flaps, we didn't even land, as he then pointed out
non-existent debris on the runway. Right before the flap failure, he
had me slip to lose altitude.

As we climbed away from the runway, he checked the "Flap Failure" off
in the "Emergency Procedures" list in the PTS. That's why it's an
"Emergency" in this context.

We went over all of the "Emergencies" listed in the PTS that were
applicable to the airplane I was flying.

Even though most of us think it's not a big deal, if the PIC of a
specific aircraft feels his of her specific flap failure has every
right to declare, no?

FWIW, The guy I know who had the right flap break off his Beech Sport
declared to the tower at the field he was landing! Why? He didn't
really know what the damage was. All he knew is that when he deployed
the flaps @ 1000 AGL, there was a big bang and the plane flew funny.
While it flew fine once he pulled them back in, he really didn't know
the extent of the damage to the plane.