Alan Minyard schrieb:
You did not learn anything from WWII except to call for the US to
defend you.
How do you know what I have learned?
From your postings
I am certain you didnīt. I havenīt expressed enough to state that
assumption.
So, please stop insulting people. It is neither friendly, nor
appropriate. Thank you.
We (those you mentioned) try to face our history and approach pardon
and respect.. other nations still neglect their record. Nations who
are members of "the coalition".
You mean your record of mass murder, surrender, and shame?
Me? Man, I am 26 years old and I know what happened. I am aware of it
as most Germans of my age are. We know those who suffered and we think
of the dead. We respect them. And we learn from those who survived to
tell us about horrors - to prevent and evade those horrors today.
If you would have ever talked to someone who lived through a
bombardment or through a POW camp or through a NS concentration camp,
through war and violence, you would be have as loud..
You
cannot just forget it, you have to do something to make up for it.
Like giving Israel three dolphin class subs for the price of one? No,
thats a nice deal, but it doesnīt make up mass murder. This has to be
done in direct contact, a thing that we practiced at schools. I have
friends in Israel as I have friends in Palestine...
That explains the discrimination against the Turks, etc. in Germany?
What does this have to do with neglecting genocides?
Great, no reply on the question. Very civilizes manner.
And:Which discrimination? Immigrants are granted double citizenship,
equal rights, equal education.
A problem is the integration, but thats based upon decisions made by
the affected - if you donīt want to integrate yourself (like learning
the language, as many turks of the first and second generation did).
In other words, if they do not speak the language they are sub-human,
my what nice folks you are.
Ah? Where did I write anything like this? Can you say "prejudice"?
Thats what you live of.
Our society is open for everyone who wants to participate in. If
people donīt want to do it, they stay within their folks and live
their lives.. What is the second biggest turkish citiy? Berlin. No
problem with it.
We donīt force people into integration, even if it means that society
pays for their living (welfare). On integration, we share the problem
the USA has with hispanic immigrants - they can rely on their folks
for a living and thus never fully integrate into society..
That is exactly why we are careful about declaring and pushing towards
war. We see it everyday what war does to nations, people, cities and
even landscapes. We donīt want it.
You are cowards.
Donīt tell me what I am.
Man, your spreading buzzwords, but you arenīt argueing.
See?
I am not worried about Serbia, I am worried about the radical
nationalists of any given group in the Balkans, no matter if they rant
for "Great Serbia", "Great Albania" or whatever.. the UCK isnīt any
better then the bosnian serbs and the mercenaries who fought along
them.
You are not worried about anything, after all, the US will come and
clean up your mess, as usual.
Weird. Just before you said I was worried about Serbia. Now what?
And again, it is immorale. You donīt care if people suffer?
Not if they continually mock and deride us. The "good times" are over.
If you expect us to clean up your messes than you should at least
show us some respect.
Where did the inhabitants of Bosnia or Kosovo "mock and deride" you?
They need _our_ help. Yours and ours.
And the Euroweinies did exactly what about it???
Nothing. Or as much as the USA.
Gee, that must be why Saddam is no longer in power and all of those
US Soldiers are in Iraq.
You donīt read arguments, do you?
You do not get out much, do you? The US has been the strongest
supporter of Israel for the last 50 years.
Wrong. The USA/Israeli cooperation lasts only about 35 years. Until
about Rabins time as ambassador in Washington and until the Nixon
administration gained power Israel cooperated with Europe in terms of
weapons development and cooperation.
No reply on it, again.
What have the Israelis requested? We supply them with arms and
money (lots of money), Europe does nothing except sell arms to
the arabs.
German Bundeswehr cooperates with IDF/Zahal (Navy, AF as much as I
know). We share technology (like the MTU license for the Merkava tank
engine) as we deal on a commercial base (like the Dolphin sub deal).
And Germany did give Israel money.
Any the despicable Europeans have done what? Oh, yes, that is
right, they have done *nothing*. (Except of course, the Brits and the
Poles).
And Spain, and Czech Republic, and Denmark, and Italy, and... well,
even Germany. AWACS and the Fuchs in Kuwait.
Kuwait is not at war.
But close to it. Iraq isnīt at war, either. Your big boss said it, but
his assistent secretary of defense just learned it the hard way. :-(
We appreciate the European Countries that have
supported the US, the rest of you can go to hell.
Ah, I love a discussion based on friendly manners.
Not as gray as you would like, we see who our friends are, and we
will take care of them, the French, Germans, etc can rot for all we
care.
I donīt want to be a friend of yours. I have many friends in the USA,
people with manners, knowledge (not prejudices or fixed ideas),
friendly people.
Al Minyard
Gruss, Roman
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