If you would have ever talked to someone who lived through a
bombardment or through a POW camp or through a NS concentration camp,
through war and violence, you would be have as loud..
I have been through war, and I did not like it. That does not mean that there
are not other things that are worse.
You
cannot just forget it, you have to do something to make up for it.
Like giving Israel three dolphin class subs for the price of one? No,
thats a nice deal, but it doesnīt make up mass murder. This has to be
done in direct contact, a thing that we practiced at schools. I have
friends in Israel as I have friends in Palestine...
That explains the discrimination against the Turks, etc. in Germany?
What does this have to do with neglecting genocides?
Great, no reply on the question. Very civilizes manner.
Our society is open for everyone who wants to participate in. If
people donīt want to do it, they stay within their folks and live
their lives.. What is the second biggest turkish citiy? Berlin. No
problem with it.
We donīt force people into integration, even if it means that society
pays for their living (welfare). On integration, we share the problem
the USA has with hispanic immigrants - they can rely on their folks
for a living and thus never fully integrate into society..
Most Hispanic immigrants are productive members of the middle/upper
income ranges.
That is exactly why we are careful about declaring and pushing towards
war. We see it everyday what war does to nations, people, cities and
even landscapes. We donīt want it.
You are cowards.
Donīt tell me what I am.
I was speaking of your country. I'll stand by that statement.
Man, your spreading buzzwords, but you arenīt argueing.
See?
Where did the inhabitants of Bosnia or Kosovo "mock and deride" you?
They need _our_ help. Yours and ours.
We have no interest in the area.
And the Euroweinies did exactly what about it???
Nothing. Or as much as the USA.
Gee, that must be why Saddam is no longer in power and all of those
US Soldiers are in Iraq.
You donīt read arguments, do you?
Yes, I do. You are a typical European who does not value liberty or
freedom because they have been the gifts of the US.
You do not get out much, do you? The US has been the strongest
supporter of Israel for the last 50 years.
Wrong. The USA/Israeli cooperation lasts only about 35 years. Until
about Rabins time as ambassador in Washington and until the Nixon
administration gained power Israel cooperated with Europe in terms of
weapons development and cooperation.
The French will sell weapons to anyone, the Germans did nothing.
No reply on it, again.
What have the Israelis requested? We supply them with arms and
money (lots of money), Europe does nothing except sell arms to
the arabs.
German Bundeswehr cooperates with IDF/Zahal (Navy, AF as much as I
know). We share technology (like the MTU license for the Merkava tank
engine) as we deal on a commercial base (like the Dolphin sub deal).
And Germany did give Israel money.
No, you sell tech (low tech, at that).
Any the despicable Europeans have done what? Oh, yes, that is
right, they have done *nothing*. (Except of course, the Brits and the
Poles).
And Spain, and Czech Republic, and Denmark, and Italy, and... well,
even Germany. AWACS and the Fuchs in Kuwait.
Kuwait is not at war.
But close to it. Iraq isnīt at war, either. Your big boss said it, but
his assistent secretary of defense just learned it the hard way. :-(
The War on Terrorism is alive and well, even if the Germans have
decided to hide their heads in the sand (as usual)
We appreciate the European Countries that have
supported the US, the rest of you can go to hell.
Ah, I love a discussion based on friendly manners.
Germany is not a friendly country.
Not as gray as you would like, we see who our friends are, and we
will take care of them, the French, Germans, etc can rot for all we
care.
Not to worry, I certainly would not want to be a "friend" of an enemy national.
Al Minyard
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