On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 20:53:26 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
wrote:

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Anyhow, the info that I came up with in the end, was this.
The SUV drivers can tear it apart, use it for canary droppings or do what
you like. you won't be convinced of anything anyway, but it does have the
best info that several days worth of research on my behalf could produce.

Wanna argue? Write a leter to the NY times or these guys.

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php...assy-argument/

You can spend a longggg time on that page, or group of pages. :-))
"Real Climate" has put together some of the best information available
in one spot. They also do a very good job of debunking a number of
"junk science" arguments.



This article adressed just about every argument I saw that was worthy of
the title ( I ignored crap like "well, you'd a thunk peeple'd be happy
about longer summers" and "Cows make more greenhouse gas than cars")

The "Tundra" which is thawing, contains many times the amount of
methane contained in the atmosphere, let alone the amount released by
cows/farming/society. I saw a film clip on a National Geographic show
this past week that showed a lake in Alaska literally bubbling
Methane. They captured some and lit it off

The permafrost line has moved North over 300 miles in the last couple
decades IIRC. Here in Central Michigan Winters are officially
(according to the state Department of Natural Resources, or what ever
they call it now) between 5 and 6 weeks shorter than they were 50
years ago. Summers are now twice as long. We get two weeks instead of
one and Black Fly season runs June to September. 20 to 30 years ago we
didn't have black flies. OT OH that has to do with the water being
cleaner, rather than warmer.

Roger (K8RI)



Bertie