Roy Smith wrote:

In article ,
Sam Spade wrote:


That is misleading. For a runway at an IFR airport that has NA, they
have looked at it. Shame on you for not knowing that.


Is that always true?

Let's take a real example -- a bunch of years ago, POU designated the grass
off to the side of 6/24 as 7/25. So, here's an airport that has had IFR
approach and departure procedures for eons, and all of a sudden, a new
runway springs into life. Is the airport not allowed to call the grass a
runway until the TERPS guys have had the opportunity to do their analysis?
Or can they just do the obvious thing and say "Nobody in their right mind
would ever take off IFR from the grass" and leave it at that?

In fact, the procedures book has this to say about departing from POU:

POUGHKEEPSIE, NY
DUTCHESS COUNTY
TAKE-OFF MINIMUMS: Rwy 6, 500-1.
Rwys 15,33, 400-1.
DEPARTURE PROCEDU Rwy 6,climb direct IGN
VOR/DME, then via IGN R-070 to 2000 before
proceeding on course. Rwy 15, climb to 600 then
climbing left turn to 1000 direct IGN VOR/DME before
proceeding on course. Rwy 24, climb to 2000 via IGN R-
250 before proceeding on course. Rwy 33, climb to 600
then climbing right turn to 1000 direct IGN VOR/DME
before proceeding on course.

No mention of 7/25 at all.

That tells me that the regional Airports Division has not recognized
that runway for IFR operations. It's absense from the takeoff minimums
I would take to mean it is a VFR runway.

What would POU Ground say if I called up and requested, "Taxi to 7, for IFR
departure"? For that matter, what if I told Tower on the way in that I was
flying the ILS-6, sidestep 7?

They couldn't care less. ATC doesn't monitor pilot legalities for IFR
operations. As to IFR departure on the runway, that would be a FSDO
call if they became involved. As to sidestep, you can't roll your own
sidestep minimums, they have to be charted. Could you use
circle-to-land minimums to land on the turf runway. I would think you
could during the daytime, but again only the FSDO could answer that with
authority.