Clark wrote:
:Fred J. McCall wrote in
:
:
: Clark wrote:
:
::Fred J. McCall wrote in
:
::
:: "Dean A. Markley" wrote:
::[snip]
:::
:::A quick search reveals the following:
:::
::
:: Should have searched a bit slower. Let me correct:
::
::
::Why do you claim authority?
::
:
: Because I can read and you apparently cannot.
:
:In other words you are a parrot with no authority. Start backing up your
:claims or drop your 'tude to a sociable level.
:
In other words, I can read and go with the facts and you cannot. Feel
free to go sod yourself.
:
:
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::
:::
:::Harpoon weight of 1145 lbs Max Speed = 530mph
:::
::
:: That's the weight for the air-launch Harpoon. If you launch it from a
:: ship it weighs almost 1500 pounds.
:
:Yup and that weight drops back to the 1145 as soon as the booster drops
ff. Now why didn't you note that Freddy? Hmmmm. You failed to note that
:because it detracts from your arguement, doesn't Freddy.
:
I don't have an "argument", you stupid git. I'm just correcting his
facts.
And the weight of both of them changes as they burn fuel. So what?
:
:
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::
:::
:::SM2 weight of 2980 lbs(don't know if this includes booster) Max Speed =
:::1900mph
:::
::
:: That's the weight for the ER version. It's over 26 feet long and I
:: don't believe we currently have any ships that fire it. The MR
:: version of SM-2 weighs around 1400 pounds.
::
::Just what system is the Navy using for ABM? They are in service even if
:it
::is a small number of ships...
::
:
: SM-3. It's a very different configuration with different guidance and
: a different warhead.
:
:
:SM-3 is a derivative of SM-2 ER Block IV. For the purposes of this argument
:it is SM-3 because the you're arguing weight.
:
Do you know for a fact that a VLS cell that will handle SM-3
(essentially a 4 stage missile of much greater weight and height) will
handle an SM-2ER? I don't.
Do you know for a fact that SM-3 with a LEAP warhead even *has* a
secondary anti-ship mode? I don't. Again, the guidance is *VERY*
different.
:
:
::
::
:: Oh, and that 1900 MPH is at altitude. It's going to be slower down in
:: denser air.
::
::
::??? What trajectory does the SM use? Is it a sea skimmer in the surface
::attack mode?
::
:
: You think enemy ships are at 30,000 feet? I'd find that pretty
: surprising, personally.
:
:
:Look up the word trajectory. Try to understand that there are several paths
:between two points. Now try to think about my question and then smack
:yourself in the forehead when you realize how absolutely stupid your
:comment is. Now hit yourself in the forehead again so you remember not to
:leap to an idiotic conclusion next time.
:
Look up the guidance for SM-2, you stupid clod.
:
:Since you still haven't figured it out, I neve said the SM would stay at
:any particular altitude. Now try to remember the concepts of potential
:energy and kinetic energy. Try real hard. Get some help if you can't figure
ut why an arcing trajectory is desirable for some points of view.
:
It certainly makes you easier to shoot down. It also screws up
guidance for this particular missile.
:
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:::
:::Now the Harpoon carries a much larger warhead but the SM2 is heavier and
:::impacts at a much higher speed. Is it reasonable to make a SWAG that a
:::Standard SM2 will inflict as much or more damage?
:::
:::After all, speed kills....
:::
::
:: By the time they reach the target, Harpoon is probably heavier
:: (because of the heavier warhead). A lot of that weight in the
:: Standard round is fuel.
::
:: Speed isn't what kills. That's why we put warheads on the things.
::
::
::Speed kills. Blast kills. How much energy is delivered to the target? That
::question is all that matters.
::
:
: And much more is generally delivered by something going 'boom' than by
: something that doesn't.
:
: Go run the numbers for yourself...
:
:
on't tell me what to do punk. You really should allow room for the world
:to change Freddy. It is going to change whether you like it or not.
:
Fine, don't run them. You've just shown you're merely a loudmouth
idiot incapable of supporting your own position.
--
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the
truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
-- Thomas Jefferson