I already spelled that out for you. Possible chemical and biological weapons

**Possible** but, to date no "smoking gun" except for evidence of
plans.

Everything we saw from an intelligence angle, and even the UN said he was
hiding weapons or the ability to make them. Most nations didn't disagree, they
disagreed on what actions to take. Now suddenly many nations in Europe are
saying "we told you so", when in fact, that wasn't the case. No one said for a
fact he didn't have weapons, even the UN inspectors believed he was not fully
cooperating.

And while this situation is indeed different, for the sake of debate,
one could easily "connect the dots" with Mr Rumsfeld having had "ties"
to Saddam Hussein's regime.

I think we can be sure that Rumsfeld was not going to aid terrorists in
conducting an attack on Americans in the US or overseas. This "fact" has little
bearing on this discussion.

One can make an easy connection between
previous US administrations and supplying weapons to the Taliban back
in the day when the DRCPBs were still the major threat to world peace.

Once again, the US could be certain that the CIA would not need to be attacked
and overthrown as they would no longer be supplying anyone with Stingers.

Except for universal agreement that Saddam Hussein was/is a brutal SOB
and worthless human being, perhaps other avenues could have been
attempted.

What like *another* Billy Clinton cruise missile attack?

say like US actions vs Maummar Qaddafi back in the 80s, ie
specific targeting trying to decapitate Huusein & sons (short of
invading).

You're kidding right. We couldn't get him when we invaded, you expect to pick
him off with a couple of CALCM? If this was percieved as possible, it would
have been done.

Oh my...please JFK beats GWB in style

Agreed.

grace

Agreed.

integrity

You're kidding right? GWB's election was the closest since Kennedy's and
despite the ugliness in FL, it couldn't hold a candle to JFK's involvement with
organized crime in Chicago. Recent studdies reveal that many of JFK's votes in
the northern Illinois area were fraudulent. I guess you could try to excuse JFK
by blaming it on his old man who orchastrated most of it, but I'm certain JFK
knew what was going on. As a "throw away" piece, I'm sure the guys left high
and dry without air support (that JFK *personally* assured them would be there)
at the Bay of Pigs would disagree with Kennedy's "integrity".

combat experience

Completely irrelevent for as a President. FDR didn't have any and he was a damn
good President.

combat wounds

So because JFK had his boat rammed by a Japanese cruiser, this makes him a
better President than Bush? I fail to see the connection.

education

Interesting, because Bush was accused of having his daddy buy him his degrees,
the same thing was said about Kennedy.

Berlin was extremely WELL handled and precipitated by Nikita closing
off access to Berlin (but you knew that).

Wrong. Twice before Kennedy took office Krushev threatened to seize West
Berlin. Ike did nothing and Krushev never did anything. When Krushev tested the
waters with the newly elected Kennedy, he mobilized the reserves and flooded
Europe with men and machines. As a result, the Berlin Wall was constructed.
Way to go JFK!

To be fair, do you really think the UN exists for our security? Of
course you don't, it exists for everyones. There is absolutely ZERO
reason to expect the UN to rubber stamp everything any US president
wants to do.

Nor was I asking the UN to "rubber stamp" US actions. The UN doesn't exist for
US security, but it should not be allowed to damage US security. The same can
be said for any nation. The UN asked France not to test nuclear weapons in the
Pacific, they did it anyway. The UN asked the UK, Isreal and France to stop
military action against Egypt during the Suez crisis, they continued.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"