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On Feb 26, 9:18 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
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On Feb 26, 7:44 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

G1000? What's that? It was a stock 310 but mostly I flew a Twin
Beech around that area. We had boots and electric props on the 310
and boots and alchohol props and usually alky windscreens on the
18s.

Not many Bonanza's with even that level of deice on board.

Yeah, I remember it well. I never got into any real trouble with
ice, but my boss when I worked in MI did once. He just made it
into some place in Ohio. I did get some in Michigan that caused an
engine to cough, but I managed to clear it. I had also got a lot
on the bottom of the wing holding. I went along with a guy in a
310 once and we got a lot on the tip tanks which was causing us a
lot of grief, but we were never in the situation where we couldn't
hold altitude. OTOH, I have come down in singles covered with ice
more than once!

Bertie

I've been chicken so far this winter. But they're not my airplanes.

Nothing chicken about staying out of ice if you have no de-ice. I
should explain about the icing in singles thing. I was only ever in
ice in singles where there was relatively warm air down low. It comes
off quick whenyou pass the freezing level. You would want a freezing
level a good 3 or 4 thousand above the terrain and even then it's not
a good idea. I did some ferrying years ago and the freezing level
over the ocean is alwyas at a reasonable level even in winter. So if
you got some ice you went down and if it wasn't too thick it would
come off almost instantly once the OAT was above freezing. You
wouldn't have that luxury in the appalachians, of course.

Bertie

True.. there's no where I need to be that bad. Buddy Holly and the Big
Bopper proved that Bonanza's and winter don't mix very well.

I'm guessing with the slick airframe the effects of ice are probably
more damaging then to\ something like a 182?



I wouldn't think there's much difference. I've had a few airplanes in
ice, but not a Bonanaza. It's hard to quantify since each accretion is
unique. I've been in a 172 in fairly bad ice, IMC and completely lost my
ability to hold alitutde in just a few seconds. I was fairly high. 9,000
maybe? it was pretty warm below and I told ATC I needed descent and
needed it now. they said "we'l have it for you shortly", and I had to
reply that it didn't matter, I was coming down anyway at that stage.
I've flown Mooneys in ice and they seem to be better at just plain not
picking it up than most airplanes. Again, hard to quantify, I could just
possibly have been lucky with the conditions. Cessna singles seem to
suffer worst with is. Struts, long gear legs and what not, I guess. It's
a complete non-event in jets, though. Most types rarely even get
airframe icing and even if they do the hot wings blos it off quickly.
The engines are more of a worry, but the anti-ice on them works well.

Bertie