On Mar 14, 11:37*am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
TakeFlight wrote in news:935d6394-8224-482e-9428-
:

Put me in the "not enough info" column.

Plane #2 could be in fact _in_ a stall (or spin), "descending fast
with 50% power" or _more_. *Think Delta Flight 191, for example.

That was something else entirely. That was a microburst. The rules pretty
much go out the window with one of those.
not to say the laws of physics are suspended, but it's a scenario that is
so different from what we learn as pilots that drastic retraining was *
introduced right across the board after it. Flight guidance systems were
modified to account for the new methods, so it's not really relevant.

Just to give you some idea of what I mean, I'll give you a scenario. You've
just aken off and yoou're climibing away at best rate. Suddenly, your
airspeed increases by a fairly large lump. 15-20 knots, say. you increase
your pitcha bit to absorb it and your speed bleeds back a tad. Still plenty
in hand, though. all the sudden the pitch you have is dragging your speed
back and it's beginning to decrease as the wind that delivered that extra
speed vanishes. You're still OK and back to your orignal pitch and have a
couple of knots more than you had at the beginning. All the sudden, the
bottom falls out of your airplane. Your climb stops and then a second later *
you begin to sink, and fast. another second or two and your speed washes
off even further and now you're sinkng and your stall warning is starting
to squeak.

you gotta do something and right now. you still have some altitude, say 400
feet. what do you do?

Bertie

Alt-Ctl-Del

No, wait, change my underwear.

Yoke forward, nose down and max power?

Richard