robert arndt wrote:
First, let me address the fact that you keep ignoring my the FACTS
that the USAF ADMITTED the Flugelrad craft in 1996. May I remind you
yet again that they denied the craft even existed for 51 years.
Could you please quote the USAF report? Thanks. Anyway, even if the
Flügelrad actually flew, none of the web sources I saw (Unfortunately,
I don't have any other sources on it) mention any of the outlandish
alien or occult propulsion schemes. The Flügelrad seems to be
effectively a very fancy turbojet-powered autogyro.
The USAAF that became the USAF also has plenty of documentation and
footage of the Feuerball weapon from the 415th NFS. That too is a FACT
that you can't dispute. So where are the files and disclosure on those
craft? Are you telling me the USAF admits these craft but has
absolutely no photographic proof of them or flight footage? They have
everything and if you don't think so look up the story of the two USAF
reporters that have come forward to describe the German discs that
were seen at MacDill AFB back in the '60s. They saw they them,
photographed them, and were given access to MacDill's archives which
showed the German craft in flight.
I know this story. And where _are_ those photographs? Without them,
it's just a story, nothing more. I could produce a new story of this
type from scatch every week. So why should I believe it? If someone
claims they saw some extremely unusual thing, but can't produce _any_
kind of hard evidence, why should I believe the tale?
It is obvious that you don't want to accept this... for what reason I
don't know.
Because of complete lack of hard proof. Like provably genuine
photographs and/or reports. Just saying the USAF has it all under wraps
isn't enough for me - sorry.
I apologize for the comment, it was inappropriate.
Accepted.
It just bugs me the
way people are so in denial about advanced aircraft. Its that old fear
of the unknown thing. Why exactly can't we handle a technology that
produces a rotating magnetic field and one that uses gravity to do all
the work? Mankinds solution to flight thus far has been using engines
that go AGAINST nature. We use powerful explosive forces in jets and
rockets to PUSH air and spacecraft through the atmosphere and space.
Nature is the opposite and Schauberger, Coler, and the rest of the
people at Lockheed & Northrop seem to have grasped that idea and have
working craft that far exceed conventional jet aircraft.
If it's so easy, and if aerospace companies employ "gravity drives" (or
"electrogravitic" ones) routinely in secret projects, why do you think
that the millions of physicists in universities and research labs
around the world haven't come up with any testable and verifiable
theory of "electrogravitics"? There are many _very_ smart theoretical
physicists, who have tried in vain for 70+ years to develop a viable
theory of quantum-gravity and to bring gravity "in line" with other
basic forces (which would presumably lead to something one could call
"electrogravitics"). Do you think, they are just too stupid, because
all the _really_ good scientists work in aerospace? Or do think, it's
all "covered-up"? The second notion is completely ridiculous - there is
absolutely _no_ way anyone, let alone the USAF which has no influence
in non-US universities, could prevent the extremely radid spread of
such a discovery in the physics community.
In short, you can't keep a law of nature a secret.
Maybe you look at the F-22, MiG-39, Su-47, Gripen, Eurofighter,
Rafale, B-2, F-117, etc... as state-of-the-art military technolgy, but
I do not. I look at them like I would a biplane prior to WW1. These
craft are obsolete.
And why the hell is the USAF investing _billions_ of $$$ into the
"obsolete" F-22?? I know that the USAF is frequently blamed for wasting
money, but what you say would really push this blame to a new level ;-)!
No, common sense tells us that there are more advanced aircraft flying
since the B-2 was unveiled in the late '80s. Do you honestly believe
the only thing we're working on now is that lame F-22 and F-35? What
has the USAF, NRO, NSA, CIA, etc... been doing covertly for over 2
decades?
I can't see any real argument in that last paragraph. Just because
_you_ think that the B-2 etc. are outdated, it _must_ be true that more
advanced aircraft are developed? I'm sorry, but I'd prefer a bit more
tangible evidence.
The "UFO community" takes advantage of everything for its agenda,
agreed. But the Belgian Wave was reported all over the world and the
photos published everywhere. The photos do not just show 3 blobs of
light. They show a distinct black triangle with 3 non-jet sources of
propulsion.
Please show me a photo where all this can be clearly identified. Thanks.
And there weren't just one craft but several which flew in
formation. The craft sped off as the F-16s approached and headed back
towards the UK. Can you say Bae Warton? But before you go on about
doubting electrogravitic propulsion
Indeed I doubt it, see above ;-).
why then has the USAF also
admitted testing of a FFX or Field-Effects demonstrator back in the
'90s?
Did they? Please provide a source for this claim. A _USAF_ source where
they admit it.
BTW, not even Google comes up with anything on this - which is rather
unusual, because normally no claim is too weird that some nut wouldn't
post it on his website.
You lied when you said the A.S.6 was the only circular/disc craft to
fly in the Third Reich. It is fairly obvious (at least to me) that the
Flugelrads flew as well as the Feuerball weapon that plagued the 415th
NFS. Schauberger's Repulsin motors also achieved flight in the
laboratory and may have been installed on a larger scale in one of the
other German disc programs (read "Hunt for Zero Point"). Then there
are the controversial RFZ,Vril, and Haunebu craft...
It may be "fairly obvious" to you, but it certainly isn't for me. The
A.S.6 is the _only_ aircraft in the whole collection, which undoubtedly
existed and flew (albeit not very successfully). All the other claims
range from the possible to the extremely esoteric. I didn't _lie_, I
just stated an opinion which happened to differ from yours. In the
worst case, I was mistaken - still not a _lie_.
Do you live forever ;-)?
No, but I will probably be here in 2020 when the files are opened.
Maybe you will too and we will see who was right and who was wrong.
Fair enough?
Fair enough ... provided that you'll actually believe what's in the
files, even if they _don't_ contain anything on flying saucers.
Andreas
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