Dan wrote:
On Mar 23, 6:29 pm, Gary Emerson wrote:
I've peered into the code, but I'm not 100% sure about this.

Say I declare a straight flight to a Goal. Start point and Goal are
declared. The definition of "Goal" is a "finish point specified in
Declaration". Does that mean any flight beyond that point is moot? Or,
is that the finish point for the declared task, but flight beyond that
may still count for a "free" task?????

Once you achieve your Goal, the flight performance is over (GOAL
1.1.14 A FINISH POINT specified in a DECLARATION (see 4.3.3).) But...
I don't think you want to use the term "goal" here!

Assume I make the Goal, and the day is still going, could I continue
from the Goal in any direction I wanted to towards a landing point and
claim records/badges for flights beyond the declared "Goal"?

In particular, say distance to my goal is 500k and then I go another
500k to a landing (or GPS logged fix) would I have earned my 1000k?

According to the SC AL 8 valid from 1 Oct 07, by my reading, once you
finish your declaration, your badge flight is over. But, if you
declare your 500k point as a "turn point" instead:
(SC - WAY POINT 1.1.2 A precisely specified point or point feature on
the surface of the earth using a word description and/or a set of
coordinates. A WAY POINT may be a START POINT, a TURN POINT, or a
FINISH POINT and has an associated OBSERVATION ZONE.),
you can then continue your flight performance to a finish point
(SC - FINISH 1.1.11 The end of the SOARING PERFORMANCE. It occurs on:
a. Landing the glider, or
b. Entering the OBSERVATION ZONE of the FINISH POINT, or c. Crossing a
FINISH LINE, or d. Starting an MoP.),
that is, your landing point, then the 1000k diploma should count (if
you satisfy the other requirements), and the 500k leg should count
(under SC 2.0.1 A flight may count towards any badge performance for
which the conditions are fulfilled.).
Note, you can't just use a GPS logged fix - it must be from a fix from
a flight recorder/data logger approved to the level of the badge, and
it must be landing or a declared way point, or starting the means of
propulsion - of these, landing is the easiest (assuming a non-motor
glider). Pedantic, but that's the SC for you...
You would have to do the declaration with the 500k point in as a
turnpoint, and leaving the finish blank, for this to count.

You want to be very careful of the terminology you use, and try to use
the SC terminology, which is very specific, and less forgiving...

Two things - I know little about records, so someone else should chime
in on them; second, you would be very lucky to get the 500k and 1000k
in one flight - good luck!


Thanks for your input. Let me add some additional data for
clarification. I am in the US and the record that I'm after for the
first part of the flight is Straight distance to a Goal. Which is why I
use the word Goal. In the declaration to the FR, there is no
designation as to the second waypoint being the "Goal", only two
waypoints in the declaration. For sake of argument we can call the
first waypoint A (the start point) and the second waypoint B (my "goal"
destination).

I launch, go through A to start the task, and arrive at B later in the
day. I turn around, and go as far back towards A as I can minimizing
the retrieve and if I got really really lucky I land back at A at the
end of the day. For sure, I can fill out a claim for the record of
going from A to B. In this case B is my "Goal". The question is could
I claim my 1000k flight? Additionally, could I claim either an O&R
distance claim or a free distance flight claim where B is one point and
my landing/finish point is a second point?