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Old March 28th 08, 10:24 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Bob Gardner
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How about the Air Traffic Control Handbook instead of the AIM:

3-9-1. DEPARTURE INFORMATION
Provide current departure information, as appropriate, to departing
aircraft.
a. Departure information contained in the ATIS broadcast may be omitted if
the pilot states the appropriate ATIS code.
b. Issue departure information by including the following:
1. Runway in use. (May be omitted if pilot states "have the numbers.")
2. Surface wind from direct readout dial, wind shear detection system, or
automated weather observing system information display. (May be omitted if
pilot states "have the numbers.")
3. Altimeter setting. (May be omitted if pilot states "have the numbers.")

Bob Gardner


"Bob Gardner" wrote in message
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AIM 3-9-1, Jay.

Bob Gardner

"Jay Maynard" wrote in message
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On 2008-03-28, Thomas Borchert wrote:
This refers to the flight performance data (primarily, weight and
balance)
I would have thought they were referring to the ATIS as "the numbers"
(not
"their").


Thats why I was careful to see what the original query was. The ATIS
doesn't
count as "their numbers"; the weight and balance info does.

FWIW, I was always taught to indicate I had the ATIS with, for example,
"Ellington Tower, Zodiac five five Zulu Charlie, inbound from the
southeast
for landing with Foxtrot." "I have the numbers" is not sufficiently
precise:
it doesn't tell them *which* numbers you have, and if the ATIS changes,
they
need to know if you got the right ones.
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