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Old May 17th 08, 09:07 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
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Default I give up, after many, many years!

On May 17, 11:24*am, Mxsmanic wrote:

It's entirely right. *You cannot trust sensations in IMC. *You must trust your
instruments.


Did you read my post? Did you forget the fact my vacuum system wasn't
working? How can I trust the instruments?

The instruments do a better job of that, and they are consistent and reliable.


Not when the vacuum system is broke. I just experienced it
yesterday. Are you telling me I am wrong that my attitude indicator
showed a pitch up yet I was on level flight that I am to ignore my
senses and fly by the attitude indicator?

If you are watching your instruments and you know your aircraft, why are you
experiencing stall buffet?


Uh, did you forget climb is pretty close to stall buffet? A couple of
degrees pitch up and you will get close to stall buffet. Of course
you don't feel that in the simulator.

I'm not sure that I'd want ILS needles in the seat of my pants.


That's because you don't fly a real plane. Again, you are in the
wrong newsgroup.

You have it backwards: The instruments confirm, not the sensations. *You don't
need a confirmation of instruments. *If there is a disagreement between
sensations and instruments, the instruments take priority.


Wrong. I have been there. You have not. The ABSENSE of a feeling is
more important then defective instruments (see above, hint vacuum
failure).

If you're instruments tell you that you're in trouble, you're in trouble. *If
they tell you that you're not in trouble, you're safe. *The seat of your pants
may tell you all sorts of things, but relying on it will result in an
accident.


WRONG. See above regarding vacuum failures.

Completely false. *In IMC, you must trust your instruments if you want to stay
alive. *Ignore what you feel.


WRONG See above regarding vacuum failures.

Look at your instruments; they'll tell you if something is wrong.


WRONG See above regarding vacuum failures.

ILS minimums, it's only 20 seconds. *The more you use your senses WITH
instruments in IMC, the better chance your outcome will be.


You aren't in IMC below minimums.


WRONG Re-read what I said above. You got to use your senses to get
to minimums.

Again, you are talking to a pilot, who just experienced IMC and a
vacuum failure. The primary instruments failed, I cannot use them.

Everything on a sim doesn't even come close to what I experienced. Oh
yeah, it wasn't straight and level flight, instrument approaches
require turns. Using an attitude indicator that displays level flight
and a DG that doesn't move and my GPS shows degrees ticking off,
doesn't bode well for survival if I don't trust my senses ALONG with
the backup instruments.

Can't wait for your answer on the above.