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Old May 18th 08, 03:54 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
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Default I give up, after many, many years!

On May 17, 9:37*pm, Mxsmanic wrote:

Applying power will not accelerate you downhill. *Power controls altitude,
pitch controls speed. *At constant pitch, increased power produces increased
lift, and thus produces a climb.


Did you miss the part about the trim setting in a nose down position?
The above answer is WRONG when you don't have the airplane configured
correctly. Ignore your senses, you are dead.

The building airspeed and the ABSENCE of an expected seat of the pants
feeling doesn't bode well. *This would be an extreme example, but very
pluasible.


Just look at the instruments, and forget the seat of the pants. *Your
altimeter will tell you about changes in altitude, and your airspeed indicator
will tell you about changes in speed.


Did you miss the part about the possibility of icing affecting the
pitot static system? You fly a real plane as described above and
ignore the seat of your pants sensation and you are dead.

No. *The instruments confirm. *The instruments are the final authority.. *If
you are looking at the instruments to begin with (as you will be in IMC), you
don't need anything else, and paying attention to sensations of movement will
only get you into trouble.


WRONG. Please RE-READ MY POST.

You can't.


Yes, you can. *You can fly entirely with instruments. *You _have to_ fly
entirely with instruments in IMC. *Doing anything else is dangerous.

It's a combination that makes it all work.


No combination is necessary.


WRONG. Until you get in a real plane, you have no experience to even
comment on this thread. AGAIN, I use MSFS, and it does not compare
one iota, so I am talking from experience both from the simulation
part and flying a real airplane? Can you say this????

It's a combination of instruments AND what you feel in the seat of
your pants (NOT your inner ear feelings) that makes a difference
between landing at minimums or butching up an approach.


No, it's instruments.


and if the instruments fail or glide slope fails or localizer? and you
don't identify it with the seat of your pants? You are one dead
puppy.

This is unrelated to simulations or hoods. *In the real world, in IMC, you fly
by instruments.


WRONG. Take some flight lessons.

Look at the cowling, and it was straight
and level relative to the camera, but in reality, I was in a climbing
right turn.


If the cowling starts to move while you're flying, you have worse problems
than just failing instruments.


WRONG. Cowling is a visual reference point that just like my horizon
indicator showed straight and level in IMC. If I followed your advice
and trusted my instruments, I wouldn't be typing this post. I WOULD
BE DEAD!

In my case, I verified the VSI reading with the feeling in my rear
end.


Your rear end is useless for measuring rate of climb.


It is perfectly useable to verify climb. I never said rate of climb.

Bottom line, in IMC your seat of pants sensation will save your butt,
but you got to use it by listening to what it's telling you, or more
importantly NOT telling you. (seat of the pants sensation)


The seat of the pants sensation can get you killed.


WRONG. See above.