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**Dave Doe** · May 19th 08, 04:08 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student

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Airliners us FULL MOTION sims, not a desktop MSFS. HUGE difference.

One of the reasons why full-motion sims work is that it's very easy to fool
human senses. Remember, full-motion sims don't actually go anywhere, but to
the people inside, they certainly feel as though they do.

To equate a desktop MSFS to any type of IMC flying is reckless IMHO.

One advantage to MSFS is that it forces you to use instruments in IMC.
Depending heavily on instruments isn't necessarily an advantage for VFR, but
it's very important for IFR.

To not depend on senses and totally rely on instruments without an
expectation that **they could fail** is reckless.

Not at all. If you're unwilling to put complete trust in your instruments,
you shouldn't be flying IFR. If they fail, well, you might never get back
home.

If you fly a real
plane, you should know this. Nobody expects the unexpected to happen,
but if you fly your plane like **it could happen** then you are better
prepared. I call it an insurance policy that you hope you don't have
to cash in.

Given the fact that losing instruments in IMC is extraordinarily dangerous, it
would be better advised to take care to minimize the chances that they will
fail than to fantasize that it will be possible to fly and land safely without
them if they do fail.

Who remembers the crash in the States where an aircraft engineer had
left the pitot and or static air vents taped up.

Crashed into the sea I think - all dead.

Basically - pilots failed to correctly interpret the instruments. Had
they determined what insruments were reading correctly, they could've
put the thing down (they were attempting to return to the field).

IIRC, they could have used the GPS for airspeed (IIRC, the airspeed
indicator partly worked (they got an airspeed active out of it!) - and
probably thought it was correct - during flight it was all over the
place IIRC. And the radar altimeter would have been working just fine.
Several navs would have been good, VOR, DME, ILS etc. Shaker of course
too!

Anyone remember some more details?

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Duncan