On Sep 13, 11:58*am, Robert Moore wrote:
"Robert M. Gary" *wrote

On Sep 12, 5:17*pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:
I agree, and I would counter that you don't have to shout or curse at a
student to gain that respect. In fact, with most students, that is
EXACTLY the fastest way to LOSE that respect.

Exactly. If the CFI knows what he's doing he would be in control of
the situation well enough to not need to shout and curse.

I suspect that Rocky and I would make great friends as I and probably most
of his students understand where he is coming from...an ex-Marine D.I.

His students have most likely been exposed to the DI act somewhere in their
officer training as I was. *As we did, they probably gather over a beer in
the evening and brag about who was able to rankle Rocky the most.

My old Pre-Flight DI wasn't near as tough as he thought he was. Navy regs
prohibited him from swearing at the future officers. This effectively
destroyed much of the DI act. *And....as far as the fight scene in "An
Officer and a Gentleman" between the cadet and the DI....could not have
possibly happened.

However Rocky....It appears as if you have been severely out voted on the
language issue. * *

Bob Moore

Bob
Yeh it would appear that way. I query students about it from time to
time to see if it is hurting effectivness and for the most part they
are positive towards my techniques. But, and this is the really odd
part, other CFI's try it and get slammed hard in critiques! From time
to time I'll not use even a hint of profanity and rely on well
educated use of the english language. Doesn't seem to work nearly as
well for me.
I have been, and always will be I suppose, very cognizant of profanity
with female students until they outswear me. I really do try to keep
it from getting overboard. I recall a helicopter instructor of mine
back in the 60's who could not speak a simple sentence without
profanity. I discovered I was counting his curse words rather than
getting benefit of instruction. This was after I had 4-5000 hours so
it wasn't as if I was a rank new guy. When I talked to him about it,
he reply was "No ****?" GGGGG
I'm glad to see this post has generated so much discussion. Most of
the time I try to create a subject line that will draw out the pros
for everyones benefit.
Best Professional Regards to you all
Rocky