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Old September 27th 08, 04:22 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Default Crab, slips, and crossed controls

On Sep 27, 10:19*am, Stealth Pilot
wrote:
On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 08:27:29 -0500, "Allen"
wrote:





in my country the manouver I describe is always called a side slip.


side slips are used as I indicate to dirty up the aircraft
aerodynamically.
they can be used to counter a crosswind but the crabbed approach is
preferred because it doesnt change the approach profile.


it is a side slip.


youalls mileage may vary :-)


Stealth Pilot


The slips are named for their flight path in relation to a point on the
ground. *The forward slip, when used in relation to a runway, creates a
direct forward path to the end of the runway. *This is accomplished by
lowering a wing and opposite rudder at the same time. *The nose of the
aircraft is to the left or right of the runway heading but the flight path
is directly forward toward the runway. *The primary use of this slip is to
lose altitude without increasing airspeed and also to allow a view of the
runway if the front windshield is obstructed with ice or oil. *The side
slip, when used in relation to a runway, creates a sideways flight path ..
This is accomplished by lowering a wing and using rudder to keep the nose of
the aircraft pointed straight down the runway. *In a no-wind situation the
aircraft will move sideways left or right of the runway centerline depending
on which wing is lowered. *The primary use of this slip is to counteract
side drift in a crosswind landing and allow the aircraft to touchdown
parallel to the runway centerline.


why on earth are you lecturing me about slips?
I use them as a convenience whenever I feel the need.

in my country they are known only as side slips because the control
inputs are pretty well the same and you can make them point in pretty
well any direction from side ways to forwards.

it is only in america where you make the artificial distinction
between forward and sideways slips.

to my mind it is as much of a nonsense as the way you spell aeroplane.
ymmv
Stealth Pilot


In both cases the pilot is presenting the side of the airplane to the
wind. The nonsense has everything to do with the track of the axis of
the airplane over the ground, doesn't it? If the axis points to the
direction of travel over the ground, as we would like in landing,
that's a slip of one flavor, if it doesn't, it's a different flavor. I
think the landing slip is a little more difficult since the reference
is different, but even then, many pilots kick the airplane to track
the centerline at the last moment.

If I need to come down fast I just ram in a foot-full of rudder
(Mooneys do not have a lot of rudder authority) and buy the tracking I
need with the yoke. It's fairly easy to track along the runway
centerline if I use that as a reference, and just never bother saying
gee, this is a slide slip, now let's change it to a forward one. In
all cases it's just flying the airplane (and unless an unexpected
change in landing clearance had been issued by the tower) cursing a
little because I put myself a bit too high or too hot to get to where
I want to be in a coordinated way. That is bad piloting.