On Mar 4, 5:41*am, Ibby wrote:
Beechsundowner,

I agree with a lot you are saying. *I agree that putting anyone with
no experience of that type of aircraft into the flightdeck and
expecting them to know what and where each switch is would be very
difficult.

My main defense on this forum was for the Simulator and it's benefits
on learning certain aircraft. *Everyone here just argues 'its a toy
for children' when in fact it's a 'tool for learning'.

I don't think a pilot on here will disagree that it's a tool for
learning. It's a tool for learning instrumentation (where buttons are
and how they work in relation to each other) and procedures
(particularily IFR). Anything beyond that, it's a toy.


You have it backwards..... *It's the sensation of movement that will
make you a lawn dart and learning to ignore that sensation of movement
is the key.

I think I was following on from your comment (or someone elses as too
many ppl on here) about managing to keep the aircraft straight and
level and in controlled flight when reaching across to change switches
etc. *

Yes, you are right in the above about reaching for a switch and and
keeping the plane level, but there is more to it. Your inner ear
balance gets messed up inside a cloud. Those sensory feelings cannot
be ignored and you don't get this on the ground via MSFS. Look up the
term leans and IMC to get a better understanding. I will keep
repeating, IMC in a cloud is something to be experienced. Depending
on what you like (or not like), you would never look at MSFS the
same. MSFS is only a 2D world once you get the opportunity to touch a
cloud..

Again this sim has taught me a hell of a lot on instrumentation,
flight programming the FMC, how to track VOR radials, NDB's, ILS's,
SIDS and STARS. *I agree there is a HELL of a lot more to learn but it
is a start and certainly an advantage to those that do not use it and
I would defend it's benefits fully. *

Defending the use and benefits to learn what each instruments do, and
learning IFR procedures, I absolutey agree with you. Defending the
use and learning how to fly an airplane, land an airplane on MSFX,
sorry, the two just don't intertwine.

Nobody will learn how to land an airplane on MSFX. Nobody will come
to the rescue of a commercial airplane in the real world after playing
in MSFX. It's just just not that 2 dimensional without human factor
intervention.