Could you guys clip a bit more heavily, or else put your replies at
the top?

I rarely page down for a reply, and I suspect that many others are
equally impatient. (I won't be reading this post, either, even though
I'm replying to it.)

On 02 Jan 2004 05:26:19 GMT, (B2431) wrote:

From: "Kevin Brooks"
Date: 1/1/2004 9:11 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


"B2431" wrote in message
...
www.crashdatabase.com/cgi-bin/webdata
From: "Kevin Brooks"
Date: 1/1/2004 5:21 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


"B2431" wrote in message
...
From: "Kevin Brooks"

snip

Dan, you are forgetting that there was indeed documented evidence
of a
passenger being sucked out of a blown window brought out during
that
discussion--a TAM Fokker F28 turboprop somwhere over Brazil (see:
www.crashdatabase.com/cgi-bin/
webdata_crashdatabase.cgi?cgifunction=Search&Airl ine=%5ETAM%24 ).
There
was
also a fatality during a 1989 Piedmont Airlines 737 rapid
decompression
(www.canard.com/ntsb/ATL/89A099.htm ). As to the non-fatal
effexcts,
the
experience of an Aer Lingus 737 tends to point to some rather
significant
injuries during a 1999 depressurization accident, with lots of
ruptured
eardrums and severe nosebleeds, etc. I would not disagree that
these
potential problems are far outweighed by the threat of some whacko
with a
knife/bomb/etc., said whacko being dispatched by an air marshal,
even
with
the remote potential of causing a rapid decompression being
preferrable
to
the alternative. But the effect of such a decompression is likely
going
to a
bit worse than cleaning your tray table off and causing a few
earaches.

Brooks



Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

I was referring to the blown out window. The passenger you refer to
was
blown
out a six foot hole according to your cite.

Heh? "Pressurization was lost at an altitude of 33,000 feet when the
right
engine disintegrated, causing pieces of the engine to break two cabin
windows." That does not a six foot hole equal.

OK, mia culpa, I was reading the incident just below the flight to
which
you
referred.

In the incident you cite I wonder what he actually died of considering
the
only
other injuries were "minor." Heart attack maybe?

I think you are mixing up the *two* incidents I cited specifically. In
the
one you are discussing involving the windows blowing out (TAM F-28 over
Brazil), the fatality left the aircraft rather abruptly via one of those
windows, from what I gathered based upon looking at a few sources.

I am not confusing anything. I am going by your own citation:

I had not even noticed the other incident (the one involving the bomb).




crashDATABASE.com

Results are displayed by date in descending order (most recent to least
recent).

Date: 09/15/2001
Location: Belo Horizonte, Brazil
Airline: TAM
Aircraft: Fokker F-28-100
Registration: PT-MRN
Fatalities/No. Aboard: 1:82
Details: While the aircraft was over Belo Horizonte, the cabin
depressurized,
causing the death of one passenger. The aircraft made an emergency landing
at
Cofins. Three of the other 77 passengers aboard suffered minor injuries.
Pressurization was lost at an altitude of 33,000 feet when the right
engine
disintegrated, causing pieces of the engine to break two cabin windows.

Date: 07/09/1997
Location: Suzano, Brazil
Airline: TAM
Aircraft: Fokker F-100
Registration: PT-MRK
Fatalities/No. Aboard: 1:60
Details: An explosion caused explosive decompression and a six-foot hole
in the
side of the fuselage. One passenger was sucked out and killed. A small
bomb
containing only 7 ounces of explosives was placed under a passenger seat.

I initially confused the two quoted here, but never mentioned the Piedmont
case. Show me where it says the fatality departed the Fokker F-28-100
aircraft.

After much searching, I found that apparently the victim in the 9-15-01
event (a Marlene Dos Santos if you want to do your own search--recommend
use of Yahoo on this one, with "TAM Marlene Dos Santos" in the search
criteria(minus quotes)), located in seat 19E (?), died due to head trauma
after being partially sucked throught one of the windows--a couple of
Brazilian press accounts indicate that she was prevented from completely
leaving the aircraft by her husband holding onto her legs. One of the
accounts can be found at the following (translation sucks, but so did the
translations of the other press accounts):

http://tools.search.yahoo.com/langua...edPage.php?tt=
url&text=http%3a//www.connect.com.br/~cultura/portugues/noticias.htm&lp=pt_en

Brooks


Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

A) you said the person departed the aircraft.

B) you gave me a citation that didn't say that.

C) you blamed me for being confused about a Piedmont flight which had nothing
to do with the citation you gave me.

D) you found another citation saying the victim was not blown out of the
aircraft. I might add that unless she had very narrow shoulders she was in no
real danger of having been blown out of the aircraft.

I am no longer sure what started this, but I have lost interest.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired


all the best -- Dan Ford
email:

see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com
and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com