On Jul 3, 4:31*pm, John Smith wrote:
Don Johnstone wrote:
with the Junior, and is that problem in fact worse to the extent that
there is no recovery? We cannot know for sure but there is evidence that
points that way.

Yes, we can and do know. The Puchacz as well as the Junior have been
frequently flown in aerobatics contests. To my knowledge, no Puch nor
Junior has been spun into the ground during a contest. So they do
recover. More, they even do recover forseeably and precisely, otherwise
they wouldn't be flown in contests.

I can cite more than one instance where an "experienced pilot" has
spun
a "well known" design, under "normal" circumstances resulting in
"unexpected"
characteristics. There are dozens, or more, variables involved and
to assume that you have seen all the possibilities is shortsighted to
say the
least. You should not assume that you are doing everything the same
way every
time, with identical equipment. I've experienced such episodes and no
longer
will "explore" that part of a flight envelope. An appropriate phrase
for such
activity is "practice bleeding".