On Aug 24, 1:59*pm, BeechSundowner wrote:
On Aug 23, 8:13*pm, "Peter Dohm" wrote:



"BeechSundowner" wrote in message

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On Aug 23, 5:21 pm, John Smith wrote:
a wrote:
I still maintain the fastest way down is a strong slip.

Just curious A,

What's the POH say for emergency descent speeds for the Mooney?

I know for sure, that I cannot do 152 knots (POH says 152 for
emergency descents) doing a slip in my Sundowner with all that drag.
I couldn't even get to VNE nose down within my own safe parameters
without bank.

Again, the purpose of this exercise for me was emergency descent for
collision avoidance. *I wanted to get a feel for what the plane would
do under non emergency situations and it was a huge lesson learned for
me.

Be carefull up there!

I have been told several times that the the vertical tail is the weak link
on most aircraft--not just the Airbus 320--and that the maximum speed
permissible for full rudder deflection is frequently less than the stated
"maneuvering speed.

Assuming the above is true, I have no idea how to determine the maximum
speed for full rudder deflection.

Peter

Agree Peter,

I would never hang any parts of the plane outside the white arc :-)))
much less do a slip for emergency descent..

*I learned from this exercise that I can't even get to VNE without
bank without an excessive amount of forward pressure on the yoke. *I
am a believer in NOT forcing the plane to doing something it won't
do. *Bank sure took care of that problem :-))

The need for forward pressure is because you were trimmed for a much
lower airspeed... In your vid, the ASI rapidly goes into the yellow
arc and off the screen, and you said something like "Jeez went over".
Do you hit/pass VNE? Here's another thought, in that high speed
descending attitude what if you hit wake from the other aircraft? Now
some hypergonadotrophic pilots may call me overcautious (I happily do
aerobatics every week) but I like to err on the safe side and I hope
you do too. So, bottom line, do you think that this is a good maneuver
for collision avoidance (in which case it would not be illegal of
course)?

Cheers