C Gattman wrote:

Don't recall the name. The seminar was August 7 or 8 at Portland
Troutdale Airport (KTTD). He was out of the Renton office. I trust
you can find their office number yourself.


I'll shoot 'em an email.



Ah, I see. So everybody is wrong but you. You're attacking
professional pilots, instructors, controllers and FAA representatives
credentials, but, strangely, you've nothing to offer about your own
credential. You sound just exactly like a certain Microsoft simulator
jockey.


I'm not attacking anyone, I'm trying to correct a misconception shared by
you, Benson, a FSDO dude, and a few controllers. As for credentials, I
don't see why that matters. Anyone here can claim to be anything. Posting
definitive, verifiable documentation that clearly shows a runway incursion
takes place only on a runway should do it for any reasonable person. But
whatever spins your prop; I hold a commercial with instrument rating, I've
been an air traffic controller for 26 years, nine years at ZAU and 17 years
at GRB ATCT, where I also serve as an Airspace and Procedures Specialist.



There are a few instructors around here now talking about this, and,
just so you know, the salient point of the discussion is that when we
get guys who have attitudes like yours ('I'm right, and everybody else
including instructors, tower and the authorities are wrong because I
say so"), the appropriate thing to do is decline to sign their flight
review or check them out in the aircraft.


You still don't get it. I'm right not because I say so, I'm right because
my position agrees with the FAA position. You, FSDO dude, Benson, and the
tower folks are wrong because your positions are contrary to the FAA
position. That's all there is to it.



We recommend that they go
someplace else and politely send them packing. Doesn't matter if
they're student pilots or ATP. Flight instructors are certainly
fallible and the FAA can be confusing, but, your attitude is
dangerous. Attitudes like yours are WHY there are so many incursions.


Nonsense. It's not my attitude that's a problem here it's yours. You
posted something that was incorrect and I called you on it. I supplied
undeniable proof that you're incorrect and yet you maintain your position is
correct. If you had hopes of establishing some credibility in these forums
you blew it big time.