C Gattman wrote:

No, sir, and I don't respect the personal attack. The seminar happened
on August 7, provided by the Renton FSDO, on the second floor
classroom of the FBO. According to the FSDO official, two runway
incursions were reported that day for people wandering onto the
taxiway.

"Everything posted" has not been "proven wrong." There are arguments
over my (which is to say, local) interpretation of policy, which is
fair, except several of you are making it personal. Everybody I work
with at KTTD including ATC agrees with me. I have asked them. Prove
that wrong. In fact, your suggestion that this has been "proven wrong"
is either dishonest or demonstrates failure to grasp my original post.

If you are suggesting that I am a liar, and that the events I
described did not happen, than, then my question becomes, how much
money are you willing to bet that the above incidents didn't occur?

I will put you in contact with people who were there and will tell you
they are considered runway incursions. You will pay each of them for
their instructional time, at $40/hr. You will pay me the same for
each. You can contact the FAA yourself to confirm that the lecture
happened. I can give you contact information for other people who were
in the lectures, including two senior CFIIs who teach Ground School at
the local community college.

People like you and McNicoll are why people like me quit posting here
just to tell people WHAT HAPPENED because some pompous-ass newsgroup
addict will invariably jump in and remind everybody what an enormous
penis he is. The I'm-more-experienced-than-you-so-STFU mentality is
discussed in conjunction with Tenerife. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Tenerife_airport_disaster#Probable_cause) The junior didn't dare
contradict the senior even though the junior knew he was right. So
guess what...

Maybe McNicoll hasn't made a mistake in the nine years or whatever you
all have been out here. ATC makes mistakes, but, maybe he doesn't.
Maybe he's the ATC Messiah, or just a bloviating gasbag, but, he'll
probably end up in my killfile all the same. I don't respect his
holier-than-thou attitude, and in my profession as well as his, it
gets people killed. He's -your- alpha dog, -you- sniff his ass.

In the meantime, if you're just going to attack me here, your opinion
doesn't mean squat unless you want to back it with cash. I might read
your posts, maybe...maybe not...and you are welcome to ignore mine.
Since we all know you're not going to put your money where your mouth
is: Some of you old boys have a nice little circle-jerk going here. Be
sure to keep it up as long as you can.


"Bloviating gasbag", "pompous-ass newsgroup addict", "holier-than-thou
attitude". I'm sure you can't see the hypocrisy in your message.

I don't believe anyone from Renton FSDO told you or anyone else that, at a
towered airport, walking or taxiing onto an active taxiway is considered a
runway incursion. I don't believe it because it is unlikely that anyone
tasked with conducting a seminar on runway incursions would have done so
without as much as reviewing current directives that clearly indicate a
runway incursion can only occur on a surface designated for the landing and
take-off of aircraft. I think you simply misunderstood what was said.
After
all, you keep posting a web page that proves you wrong while insisting
you're right, thus demonstrating you lack the ability to understand the
written word. Perhaps you lack the ability to understand the spoken word as
well.

Nor do I believe everybody you work with at KTTD, including ATC, agrees with
you. If the tower had to report and process a surface incident they'd refer
to those same current directives for guidance. If the other folks you work
with at KTTD, assuming they are reasonable people, have studied this thread
they cannot possibly agree with you as solid, verifiable, irrefutable
documentation has been posted here that proves your position is incorrect.

You did post a web page by Gene Benson that supported your position. After
I contacted Mr. Benson and pointed out the errors and provided him with
current documentation he thanked me for the correction and took down his
page. That's how reasonable behave.

The attitude you've demonstrated here is not that of a reasonable person,
not that of an aviation professional. You, Mr. Gattman, are flying the
airways of life with a couple of props feathered. Seek help.