On Sep 23, 6:00*am, BeechSundowner wrote:
On Sep 23, 5:20*am, C Gattman wrote:

One would think that a yellow line in front of you should be a clear indication that you are still on a taxiway, but
when confronted with signage that isn't exactly clear on directions,

I do study the AFD. *Did you read my response? *The signage is limited in choices as you describe but obviously you have never been at KLEX
or KBTR down on Bravo as an example for clarity of directions. *

That's why I posted the diagram for KPAE. It's the closest example I
can think of out here. I'm agreeing with you. I think pilots gets used
to seeing grass in their peripheral vision when they're taxiing, and
confusion is probably the highest when it seems like you're in a sea
of asphalt. (BTW, Paul Allen has a Messerschmitt 262 out there.)

You can have all your FAA regs and definitions down pat, but, a pilot who can't interpret the signs or stay on the taxiway is dangerous.

I know how to interpret the signage, I never indicated anything differently.

You said "for me, I lose that yellow line in front of me trying to
figure out, " I also said that a pilot who can't "stay on the
taxiway..." You don't need to defend yourself. If doesn't apply to you
(ie, you study the AFD and can stay on the taxiway) I hope you still
agree that somebody to whom it does needs to fix the problem.

With regard to the flashcards or other refresher material, the purpose
is to increase familiarization of the signage so you can interpret
them instantly and pay more attention to the taxiway environment. Sort
of like those WWII aircraft flashcards. The FAA uses memory aids like
"Black Square means you're there" and "okay to dash across the dashed
line" because, however you want to define them, pilot-caused runway
incursions are on the rise. I'm saying this to pilots in general, not
just you.

These problems are common, and exacerbated by fatigue and stress and also fear of making a mistake.

FINALLY, you are coming around. *This is my point I have been making all along. *In my case, fear of making a mistake

Well, you don't want some arrogant jackass in the tower spouting off
on you or questioning your competence when you're just trying to keep
metal from getting bent. I think we all know that feeling.

My rule of thumb, rather sound dumb on the radio then do something dumb on the ground.

That's a good rule. And, probably, if you're having trouble out there,
lots of other people have too so a clueful tower operator should
understand and be ready to help somebody who gets confused there. If
enough people express confusion, hopefully the airport will fix the
problem.

Lexington is -the- example of why we teach to always check the DG with
the runway numbers and clearance before launching. If it can happen to
a crew of two professional pilots, it can certainly happen to lesser-
experienced pilots.

Yesterday I checked out an 11,000-hour ATP in our rental 172s and he
accidentally reported himself "At 25 ready for takeoff" when we were
at Runway 7. (Plus, he kept identifying himself as
"Skywest...er...Cessna 01Hotel") That indicates to me that anybody
can make comm mistakes. As soon as we got on the runway he said "Now
we always check the DG to the number and clearance."

Cheers. It's much more interesting talking about flying than it is
bitching at each other.

-chris