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Old March 18th 10, 08:03 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military.naval
Ken S. Tucker
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On Mar 18, 12:30 pm, frank wrote:
On Mar 18, 1:47 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" wrote:



On Mar 18, 12:36 am, "William Black"
wrote:


"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in ...


I think the source is reliable, my Old Boy was a WW2 vet spook who
had more access to info than any historian will ever get, and
explained
it to me.


My my, someone on the BIGOT list and who had access to ULTRA.
That's about a dozen people below general officer rank.
Shouldn't be too hard to identify him.
That said, I don't want to play 'what if' games, ok.


Not sure about the "BIGOT" acronym, anyway he had a great job in
RCAF, as a "de-briefer". What that entailed was a bit complicated.
When RCAF personel returned from overseas he was allowed 1 week
to de-brief and calm them down enough to return them to civilian life.
He had to 'pump' them for information which I imagine a lot of men
were reluctant to relate, using cigarettes, booze and girls to get
them
chatty.
Funny he was highly qualified, before the war he was a gangster,
had a speak-easy in Winnipeg, and hustled booze and fish to
Chicago's Moran gang mainly, you know how kids are.


After 2-3 years he wrote a stack of reports that would fill a filing
cabinet, probably still classified.
He had access to everything, as you can imagine, but the only
person he'd talk to about it was me, and only at the cottage we
built when we were alone, after drinking he'd loosen up a bit, but
he was always careful about what he said.
It was the analysis ability that he sifted for circulation that I
found
interesting.


But I'll let you in on a secret, the Brits had thousands of cannons
after
Dunkirk, available for Nazi photo recon, made of wood logs, that's all
the Brits had was bluff, but I think it was good in any case, the
croats
figured it was real.


Have you considered reading a book?


Which book did you read?


The Brits, had a few rifles left after Dunkirk, 2 or 3.
Paint a few hundred barges black and gliders too, move out at 10 or
11 pm, and by 5 am the king is being raped in the ass by Nazi's.
As I said, no sweat.


Aren't we forgetting someone?
This being a naval group and all...


The RN was pretty much useless, recall Pearl Harbor, suppose the
Nazi's
float a bunch of cheap boats, the RN responds and the Luftwaff
would've put
a lot of iron in the channel.
Barges are ultra cheap, especially when they're empty.


Oh yes, and assuming they do land. How on earth do they get over the
Military Canal in a night?


40 miles = 8 x 5, how long is a night?
(please don't tell me I need to prove math).


William Black


Regards
Ken


Ken, you have no idea what you are talking about. Sorry. Go read a
book. You know there are books written on this subject.


Well Frank, don't crap in your Depends Diaper, but you should know
books are written to be sold, you'd be far better off discussing war
with people who were actually involved in it, as you clearly have not
been, you have no clue about the problems.
It seems to be a habit of the US to dump it's vets on a tarmack and
tell them to go home, with zilch debriefing, and deal with
psychotrauma
on their own, following combat.
At least the WW2 RCAF had the class to get fella's talking and opening
up about their experiences and also LEARN from them, while at the same
time assisting psychotrauma reduction.
LOL, while Frank was reading comic books glorifying WW2, I was having
discussions with combat veterans.
Ken