On Sep 20, 10:49*am, Kevin Christner
wrote:
OK.....But the same BASIC technique works for all these
gliders............LOW ENERGY LANDING.......

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A proper low energy landing involves a two point (or arguably tail
first) touchdown. *You cannot teach this in a 2-33. *The euro's laugh
at us because a not insignificant amount of owners of the newest glass
ships still can't do a proper low energy landing.

If you feel the need to comment so strongly to this thread you may
wish to reveal your real identity. *Otherwise we'll have to assume you
are Lennie the Lurker (and if you don't know who this is, you haven't
been in soaring, or at least on RAS, long enough to comment on these
issues)

I agree that a proper low energy landing in MOST gliders is two point
or there about.

Although the 2-33 does not usually land two point, I still can, do,
and have taught low energy landings in 2-33, and the same techniques
carry on to other gliders, with minimum fuss...I do not allow my
students in the 2-33 to do "fly it on landings".

It has been my experience that those who land a 2-33 properly, land
any glider properly. I have also seen glider pilots who never flew a
2-33 but still manage to land improperly. Its not the glider....its
the pilot!!

Owners of the newest glass ships who can't land them properly, should
seek additional training....but this is a "pilot problem" not an
"aircraft problem".

My whole point is in response to the post that implied that a guy
wrecked a Grob, because he learned in a 2-33.......This is a far
fetched conclusion at best...........The guy wrecked the Grob because
he didn't know how to land, period, regardless of the aircraft.

I'm not a huge fan of the 2-33......but please don't blame the poor
glider for things that are not its fault.......

BTW.....I've seen some of those "Euros" fly ........Some are great
pilots, but they have their share of pilots who can't land
too............

As for your second paragraph:

My name is Bob Cook, everyone who knows me, knows me as
"Cookie"......To anybody who doesn't know me, it doesn't matter squat
what my name is.......Now if you want to comapare "years in gliding"
or hours, or experience or whatever, we can go tit for tat........but
that is meaningless..........

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