Hi Bill

Our two Bergfalkes had more in common with a packing crate (including
the holes covered with duck tape...)

Having done a refurb on both they are now quite respectable.

Interestingly - I braded them as "Vintage" on our website (hell - it was
about all we could differentiate on) and it worked. We attracted folk
who like old cars, and have a steady trickle of folk coming for an
intro. Even had a couple of international visitors over the years.

Still - we used our Blanik L13 for the more advanced training until
recently.

Maybe something composite and shiny is in the future of the club.

Bruce

On 2010/11/10 11:27 PM, bildan wrote:
On Nov 10, 1:29 pm, wrote:
On 2010/11/09 11:36 PM, Mike Ash wrote:

Some folk are strange and actually WANT to fly the vintage trainers.

No problem with that. I like old wooden gliders too. I just have a
problem with coercing others to fly them if they want something
better. (A 2-33 isn't 'vintage', it's just old.)

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The K21 is a honey to fly, but I wonder about the completeness of
skills it would provide if it were the only trainer used.

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As others have pointed out, the K-21 will spin just fine with the CG
aft and weight kits are available just for that purpose. I find even
with the CG well forward, the ASK-21 clearly exhibits all the pre-
stall/stall behaviors a student needs to learn. Just asking them to
compare how the K-21 handles at 36Kts vs 42Kts convinces them it flies
a lot better at 42. It barks, but doesn't bite.

One youngster said in delight, "Hey, it gets wobbley when it's slow
just like a bicycle". Yup!

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Bruce Greeff
T59D #1771 & Std Cirrus #57