"Kevin Brooks" wrote in message
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Look, we are NOT sending them into contested airspace, OK? Period.
There is that strange "OP-2E's" you keep ranting about... And again, we
are not going to send these assets in against "undue risk".

Some guys whose remains finally made it home to Arlington recently
were certainly ordered into contested airspace in their ISR
assets...Even in the face of "undue risk". The job had to get done.
Thats what war-real war-is about Kevin.

Are you talking about the DASH-7 ARL that punched into a freakin'
mountainside? Geeze, just what kind of damage tolerance are you demanding?

Hate to disappoint you but...No, I'm not talking about what happened
in Colombia at all. Laos actually. Since you are spouting all these
"facts", I thought you'd know all about it.

Uhmmm...isn't S-400 the ABM derivitive? Which explains it longer
range--against targets waaay upstairs in their radar horizon at that
range?
As to the others....250 km is greater than either of them. Now, how
often
are you going to see those systems up near the FLOT? That's
right--pretty
much never. Talk about being an ATACMS magnet...

On your last point, its a matter of active concern. The radars and
targeting systems for these systems are bit tougher to counter.
Be honest, did you ever think the Serbs were capable of shooting down
that F-117 before it happend Kevin? Paycheck says no.
Of course I don't expect you to open this:
http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/a...pietrucha.html
Everyone seems to understand the S-400's threat against
aircraft...except you.

Oh yeah, have you checked out anything on "Three Attacks Three
Defenses?"

Oh, gee whiz, what about those C-40's? And those aircraft specified to go
into low threat areas? I guess you would discount the future use of CRAF
assets as well, right? What with all of those nasty super long range
AAM's...oops, that's right, they are just ghostware.

C-17s were expected to be in low threat areas...until recently. I
should have phrased my statement (which I'm sure you will misconstrue
as a rant) to say ALL aircraft involved in the active conduct of a
battle...even the ones that traditionally have operated on the
periphery.
For C-40s et all, thats where the changes to Part-25 (typo'd as 125
earlier)and MIL-STD-1530A come in. MANPADS is now a threat to ALL
transport category aircraft.
Speaking of CRAF(which isn't instituted right now BTW)... Even though
it wasn't a flight under DOD auspicies, DHL-and eventually LLoyds of
London-have paid dearly for operating in a hot war zone. By the Grace
of God only that crew and aircraft didn't end up in a smoking hole,
and Thank God too that it was empty and not carrying 300 or so of our
finest. Yes I know it was freight dog, so don't get all ****y about
that little "fact".
Did you see the size of the shrapnel hole where the fragment entered
the bottom of the wing and started that hydrodynamic ram created fire?
Its really small so look carefully.
http://gallery.colofinder.net/dhl-ai...le12042003a010
I wonder what a S-400 warhead would do to a similarly engineered
EMB-145?
Novator's product is a bit more than ghostware, but I don't want to
disturb any of your "facts".

And, oh yes, I DO know what the "L" in ARL means...

I don't think you do, from the angle of your rants. It does NOT mean "low
altitude", nor does it mean "low chance of surviving its mission".

LOL!! I worked for the operator that had the DASH-7s before the Army
got them(I've moved on since).
Regardless, the ACS won't have an "L" attached. Its expected to be"one
of the first to the fight".